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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
BunnytheBlueWhale · 20/01/2020 17:08

If she wants to get cabs going forwards you could suggest alternative and she can take your DD every other week

StoneofDestiny · 20/01/2020 17:45

She hasn't offered your daughter a lift in the cab because she is selfish as thoughtless - as you already know.

MummyFriend · 20/01/2020 18:49

Sorry, have I missed something? If it only takes 7 mins to walk to yours via the shortcut why doesn't she walk her daughter to your house herself to ensure she stays safe. That's a quick 15 min round trip for her. Surely that's what any non-CF parent would do in her situation??

FelicisNox · 20/01/2020 19:04

No more texting. Go and speak to her face to face.

Be clear: I'm sorry but I think we are at cross purposes and what is "not on" is you not meeting me halfway and sending me rude messages. I've done this as a favour and can longer accommodate these trips going forward so let's find a way to resolve this.

I also think you need to think about your place in this disagreement. I appreciate you are stressed but actually, you are the creator of that stress. You've clearly taken on too much and your DD runs the risk of losing one of her friends because you cannot manage your commitments/time properly.

Also, even if you were 10 minutes late every week to club it is NOT the end of the world. Just explain your situation to whoever's running the club.

This is not just about you, your DD and her friendship will be affected and whilst I don't condone your friends message, YABU to expect her DD to walk in the dark, bearing in mind it gets dark at 4pm. It's not safe and you wouldn't like your DD making the trip on foot.

This is the problem when you commit to things and then change your mind. The fact her DD can be moody has no bearing on this situation. Her DD loves going to club and that is in jeopardy because you've just decided you don't have time and that's on you.

I clicked YANBU but on reflection, you are IMO.

FelicisNox · 20/01/2020 19:06

Just seen the end of the thread..... what a mess.

Delatron · 20/01/2020 19:06

Yep agree, of course you would walk the daughter over. But no she pays loads of money for a cab.

mbosnz · 20/01/2020 19:11

Well, when my kids are going to be walking in the dark from school, through the shortcut, I go and meet them. Why can't she walk her daughter there, and then go home? Her legs might just drop off from the shock?

Poptasmagorical · 20/01/2020 19:12

Holy shit, the CF is...... FelicisNox!

Whynosnowyet · 20/01/2020 19:13

Taxi =a deliberate snub not suggesting you and your dd benefited from a lift for a change. Imo.

SmellyBeard · 20/01/2020 19:17

The likelihood is what may or not help you out isn't on her radar.

NoFucksImAQueen · 20/01/2020 19:22

Ha I thought that too pop

billy1966 · 20/01/2020 19:49

She has absolutely no interest in being reasonable or help you out OP.

That is abundantly clear.

She is a user.

Surely the fact that she would text and harrass you when you were a few minutes late.

Personally I'd hand her arse to her for it.
The absolute cheek of adding to your pressure.

I repeat.
2 years of lifts.
Week in.
Week out.
🙄

Jeezoh · 20/01/2020 19:55

She feels entitled to you being a chauffeur for her DD and so isn’t going to suddenly realise that she’s being unreasonable.

Stick to your guns but to be honest, I’d be stopping going out of my way to drop her DD home after the club, she’s a user.

Whiskeychaser · 20/01/2020 20:16

@FelicisNox, the one time she did take them in a cab, my dd did have to walk to her house alone, they didn't offer to pick her up (just said get here for x time).
It's also not dark here until 5pm (& getting lighter every week), which was why I suggested she could walk to mine by then so that she wasn't walking in the dark, and actually she walks in the dark when it suits her or her mum.

Also, as I've mentioned before, texting is how we generally communicate as she works funny hours, so it can be weeks before I see her, eg, it's been averaging once a month (max) for a while now.

The conversation regarding her walking to me wasn't planned on my part, and again, I really wasn't expecting her to have an issue with it, especially seeing as I'm doing them a favour & have never asked for anything in return.

Obviously, I don't want to cause my dd any issues, and I have nothing against this girl, but they've had issues in the past with this friend being very controlling and demanding of my dd's time/who else she sees, so I don't really want my dd to feel like she has to have her over here all afternoon every Friday as from past experience that will encourage the behaviour we're trying to prevent. At the moment, my dd has boundaries in place that are really working and facilitating a much healthier friendship, so I won't be asking her to change that.

The mum has no problem asking for things she wants and no problem saying no if something doesn't suit her, so I guess I need to be just as clear myself in future.
I'm certainly beginning to see where I stand with this friendship, so it's been useful for that if nothing else.

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 20/01/2020 20:24

billy1966, I'm fast coming to that conclusion myself ☹. It's not a nice feeling.

Jeezoh, yeah, I think entitled sums it up perfectly.
She's somehow forgotten that I'm doing them a favour week in, week out (without wanting something in return).
I ask for a small concession and she's pissed off at me, and rather than just appreciating what I'm doing for them she's focused on the bit I'm not.

OP posts:
mbosnz · 20/01/2020 20:29

Yes, because she now feels entitled. And you're inconveniencing her.
How do you think she feels?!

(Fully sarcastic for the above. . .)

GreenTulips · 20/01/2020 20:37

YABU to expect her DD to walk in the dark, bearing in mind it gets dark at 4pm. It's not safe and you wouldn't like your DD making the trip on foot

That’s why the non driving mother should walk with her.

Besides, the mother planned to go that week AND took the taxi with her DD

OR get a car
OR get a taxi

messolini9 · 20/01/2020 20:39

I have nothing against this girl, but they've had issues in the past with this friend being very controlling and demanding of my dd's time

Whiskey, I can't fathom where friend's daughter could have learned her attitude from ...
& btw YANBU to feel pissed off about the cab-snub - but frankly, you don't need to give a damn, just accept that your comfort, convenience or time were never on your 'friend's' radar. That's not your fault - we all judge by our own standards, just a shame yours are so much higher & kinder that your friend's.

Whiskeychaser · 20/01/2020 21:02

messolini9, yeah, I'd always figured it came from mum, but hadn't really seen it from her before; probably because I'm usually saying yes, so there's been no need!

OP posts:
YouDancin · 20/01/2020 21:04

I said this earlier... But if her DD starts taking a taxi then you should insist she takes your DD and you bring them back. That way you are both contributing half to the journey, plus you get your evening back.

CakeandCoffeeQueen · 20/01/2020 21:12

I just wanted to say you sound lovely op

Drum2018 · 20/01/2020 21:16

Also, even if you were 10 minutes late every week to club it is NOT the end of the world. Just explain your situation to whoever's running the club.

Have you ever been a coach/volunteer yourself? Someone arriving late is disruptive, may have to do warm ups while the others want to carry on with their sport or whatever it is they are doing in the club. So your attitude of it being ok to arrive late every week quite simply stinks of being a CF.

YABU to expect her DD to walk in the dark, bearing in mind it gets dark at 4pm. It's not safe and you wouldn't like your DD making the trip on foot.

She has a mother who could easily escort her.

This is the problem when you commit to things and then change your mind. The fact her DD can be moody has no bearing on this situation. Her DD loves going to club and that is in jeopardy because you've just decided you don't have time and that's on you.

It's not in jeopardy as the op has simply requested that the child be at her house at a certain time in order for op to continue with her generosity in giving her a lift to the club and bringing her home. It really is not ops responsibility to get this child to and from the club at all, but she is quite happy to do it as long as the child gets to her house by 6pm. Child's CF mother (which may well be you @FelicisNox) needs to arrange that her dd gets to ops house on time.

I clicked YANBU but on reflection, you are IMO.

Hmm
MuchBetterNow · 20/01/2020 21:37

Not rtft but got the gist.

This never ends well, these type of people just take and take . We were in an almost identical situation years ago and got berated and badmouthed when we dared to curtail the arrangement because my work pattern changed to make it impossible to accommodate.

Don’t give it any more thought, do your own thing and tell them to go fuck themselves.

Whiskeychaser · 20/01/2020 21:58

I'm very rarely late for club, (maybe 2/3 times max in 2 years), I'm just late picking her dd up, but because I factor in some leeway it doesn't generally impact on the club itself, it just stresses me out.

Being regularly late for the actual club really wouldn't be fair on the others attending the club or those that run it, and isn't something I'd do. I would rather not go at all if that were the case.

Think I might just do that, YouDan.

Thanks, cakeandcoffee. I'm far off perfect though Blush

Thanks, drum, I agree. Would not be ok!

MuchBetterNow, I'm certainly going to be straight with them and if they don't want to come to me they'll have to make other arrangements. If she gets a cab again on Friday, I'll most definitely be having words and telling her she can take my dd too.

OP posts:
Delatron · 20/01/2020 22:15

There really is no problem ‘walking in the dark’ in the early evening. Especially such a
Short journey. What do they do normally? Sit in the house and never set foot a outside after about 4.30pm in the winter because ‘it’s soooo dark’.