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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 11:47

Omg, thanks Boom, only just seen your post, looks like someone already reported it for me so thanks to whomever that was!

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fedup21 · 18/01/2020 11:56

She’ll probably suggest that your daughter walks to their house and they can share the taxi-you would obviously pay half though!

Dustarr73 · 18/01/2020 12:05

Just one thought: as you pass her house in the way home, does she know / realise that you don’t go that way on the way out? Does she know it is a detour?

I was just coming on to say that.If @Whiskeychaser had mentioned that at the start some of the answers would have been different.

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2020 12:08

Don't engage in any further arguements.
Just sorry due to timetable this is not possible.

letmebefrank · 18/01/2020 12:35

I think the cab ride should have slapped some sense into the woman. When she had to reach into her wallet to pay the fare, a reasonable person would realize that she's essentially been reaching into your wallet for the past 2 years to cover petrol, wear and tear, car insurance, etc so her daughter (and herself) could go to a club. And she was also demanding you do it at their convenience and you should give up even more of your time to accommodate them.

She should be deeply ashamed of herself and embarrassed at her behaviour and ungratefulness , frankly. I bet she isn't, but she should be.

She owes you a sincere apology and some serious tokens of 'thanks' if she's going to continue to accept rides to the club going forward ... on your terms, of course.

Daftapath · 18/01/2020 13:11

"Just one thought: as you pass her house in the way home, does she know / realise that you don’t go that way on the way out? Does she know it is a detour?*"
*
Well, the mum often travels with op to the club so she must know what route they take

MrsRagnarLothbrok · 18/01/2020 13:18

good for you, stick to your guns. What I have found is that once a CF always a CF, give them an inch and they will take a mile, another people pleaser trying to get out of the habit

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 18/01/2020 13:50

👏👏👏

Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 14:45

To answer a few points, etc.

Yes, they both know we take a different route (& why) on the way there.

My oh isn't home early enough, and tbh, although it's nice day dreaming about going for dinner straight after or saying something like "We'll leave you to wait for your cab. See you next week" that's just not me.

I don't want to play games, I just wanted a bit of consideration from them.

I also don't want the petrol money as I'm going there anyway, and I'm happy taking it in turns to buy our drinks when the mum comes, I really just wanted this one concession from them to make my life easier.

I've never thought about it before, but this has made me think things through.
The other way around, I would always offer to buy her a coffee if I went along with them, as it would be my way of showing my appreciation for what she's doing, but it's different strokes for different folks, as they say, and I don't expect someone to do what I would do, so I'd never hold that against them, and it doesn't change my behaviour towards them.

I know she could not afford to send her dd there (as well as pay club fees) if she had to pay every week for travel, so I'm happy to facilitate this by driving her.

Over the past 2 years there's been 3 occasions I've not been able to take them, or had constraints on my time that have made it difficult to fit in.
The first time they walked there and back by themselves as it was summer and still light, the second time she took them both in a cab, (my dd walked to their house) and I picked them all up.
The 3rd time, I was out at an event all evening so took I them early, left the event early to pick them up and then took them back to the event with me and drove her dd home after.

I think I'm a nice person, and I don't actually want to play tit for tat, but it has shown me that she probably places a different value on our friendship.

I'm going to continue being me, but I'm going to be more assertive about my needs from now on.

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Dolorabelle · 18/01/2020 14:47

but it's different strokes for different folks, as they say, and I don't expect someone to do what I would do, so I'd never hold that against them, and it doesn't change my behaviour towards them

You're a bit of a saint, OP - your so-called friend is really lucky to have you Flowers

BunnytheBlueWhale · 18/01/2020 14:54

I think you’re approaching it in the right way OP. I wouldn’t be for making up excuses not to take them home either and it would be hard for you to do that every week. Things don’t need to be sour. You just need to not be a doormat!

Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 15:09

Lol, Dolorabelle, I'm definitely no saint BlushGrin.
I just try to treat people the way I'd want them to treat me.
I feel good about myself when I'm helping others, so I guess you could say I'm just doing it for selfish reasons too.

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BlouseAndSkirt · 18/01/2020 15:23

You sound decent and a generous soul, OP.

It is good to help people out where we can, and you have found yourself at a pushed boundary, put the boundary back in place, and been fair.

Good luck!

Dolorabelle · 18/01/2020 15:27

so I guess you could say I'm just doing it for selfish reasons too

There's a Friends epi all about that Grin

letmebefrank · 18/01/2020 16:02

When she took them both in a cab the one time you couldn't take them and they couldn't walk, did she pay for the cab? Or were you required to contribute (and I would hope not!)?

Chocmallows · 18/01/2020 18:13

OP everytime she says she is tired from now on, say "me too", every time!

She'll have to sort out the lifts there or get her DD to walk to you on Fridays.

peardrops1 · 18/01/2020 19:55

WELL DONE OP!!!! Stick to your guns.

Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 20:36

To be fair, she paid. At first they just weren't going to go, but I think her dd convinced her to get them a cab.

Love Friends, Dora Grin

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HouseworkAvoider10 · 19/01/2020 02:25

Please come back and tell us how it goes next Friday.

susantrubey · 19/01/2020 17:41

If the mum is going then walking to your house is fine. If something happened to that little girl while walking alone to your house, you would never forgive yourself. And don't stress about being late. It is not the end of the world.

Whiskeychaser · 19/01/2020 17:49

I will do.

I'm hoping that her dd will walk to mine next week.

It's no skin off my nose either way, really, but for her sake more than anything else I hope last week was a once off, because it will be an expensive point for her to keep making that I know she can ill afford.

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TessTackle · 19/01/2020 17:53

I’m so invested! Can’t wait for next weeks update op.

Whiskeychaser · 19/01/2020 18:18

susantrubey, you could say that about anything though. I could also be involved in an accident driving them there. It also doesn't need to be dark for something bad to happen.

I know she's allowed out in the dark, which means I'm not asking her to do anything she isn't normally allowed to do.

It's also only a 15 minute walk max.

I'm happy for her to walk to mine short before it gets dark, and anyway, every week it gets dark later, so before long it will still be light at 6pm.

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BunnytheBlueWhale · 19/01/2020 18:24

If something happened to that little girl while walking alone to your house, you would never forgive yourself.

It wouldn’t be OP’s fault if something happened to the child walking to OP’s house. She has a parent. OP is doing them a favour by taking her at all.

And don't stress about being late. It is not the end of the world.

No it’s not the end of the world but I think the point is OP has less time for having to go and pick up friend’s DD as she will naturally aim to be there on time.

ABlackRussian · 19/01/2020 18:27

"I am happy to take you to the club, but I cannot pick you up, as it is leaving me short. I do not need to discuss this further. If you want a lift, you need to be at my house for xxxx. Hopefully, see you on Friday".