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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
cstaff · 17/01/2020 23:13

She is mad with herself or at least she should be but it sounds like she is a stubborn old cow and was waiting for you to make the first move. She really isn't doing herself any favours with her carry on tonight. She also doesn't realise that you have the support of a bunch of crazy ladies on mn Grin. Keep it up and keep us updated.

Grumpelstilskin · 17/01/2020 23:18

I'd mention that if she can afford a taxi, she can afford to give you some petrol money.

Whynosnowyet · 17/01/2020 23:22

So you are still at her beck and call just only one way now?

Crafting1Queen · 17/01/2020 23:23

Massive well done OP, as a fellow people pleaser & also having chronic health conditions/hidden disabilities, I know how much this will have been taking out of you, certainly the last 2 years, but especially when everything ramped up this week, and you finally pushed back. Also how much it will have taken out of you sticking to your decision and not engaging and filling the gap/explaining again why/caving at the silent treatment she was doling out to you (i'm sure you've had many conversations with yourself this last week alone about it). How dare you come out of your box! Get ye back in, who do you think you are trying to change the rules and put some boundaries in place??? But, hey, now you've peaked out from under that lid, in fact blown it right open - there'll be not stopping you lol. What has struck me throughout your Post and subsequent updates is your dignity about the whole thing. You would be an amazing friend to have, cos you're obviously a really nice person, so never lose sight of that about yourself.

Try not to think about next Friday too much, all the what ifs, what she might say/do, not say/not do and just concentrate on keeping yourself well, as you may end up taking a bit of an energy slump or a bit of a dip with everything that's been happening. But look at what you've achieved, and just remember the feeling tonight you've mentioned, that you've found YOUR new routine so much more stressful. CF's are always waaaay more stubborn than anyone else, so it might take her a wee while to realise this is the new arrangement, and expect you to capitulate in the next week or so, as "well, you've made your point".

Also a massive, yes, yes, to mentioning at times you're not going to be able to drive one week, and she can pick your dd up in the taxi on the way past. I'd maybe just let the new routine sink in a bit first, but her response to that will tell you all you'll need to know whether this is a friendship you want to keep cultivating.

I would also suggest every so often you have some other commitment, straight after the club, that means you and your dd need to head straight off there, and you can't take her home, obviously, as the nice person you are, you'll be able to give her a bit of notice, so she's prepared for the taxi there and back. Will just keep a wee reminder alive how convenient you have been making it for them up until now.

I hope you've managed to sit down now, and joined all your new mumsnet friends, with some snacks and maybe a wee glass of something you cheer your achievement. I know we've all been rooting for you since you posted, and have raised a glass to your success. Well done!!!

messolini9 · 17/01/2020 23:28

everything CraftingQueen said above, plus

I'm sticking with my new routine as I found it much less stressful.

  • great result OP, I hope you are very pleased with yourself :)
Crafting1Queen · 17/01/2020 23:30

Aaagh, your routine much less stressful …..

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:31

That's what I think, BunnytheBlueWhale.

Sorry for not updating sonner everyone.

Hope you didn't get too pissed whilst you were waiting Grin

I had planned to update when I'd said, but when I got home at half 8-ish, my other half had booked a table for 9pm for dinner, as he'd seen I'd not had time to finish making ours and thought I needed a break, as he was aware what had been happening with this club. He knew I'd be stressed when I got back and thought he'd take my mind off of it by taking us out.

We've actually only just got home 15 minutes ago, and the update I sent earlier was done quickly from the restroom, lol, as we have a 'no phones' policy when we're out together as a family.

OP posts:
messolini9 · 17/01/2020 23:39

Sorry for not updating sonner everyone.
Hope you didn't get too pissed whilst you were waiting

Actually I did a little bit & do you know what OP - "it's not on".

Frankly if you had just sacrificed 15 minutes instead of focusing on your selfish desire to have a nice time with your DP, I would be 15 minutes less into the bottle & way less pissed.
You DO realise that my 15 minutes trump your 15 minutes every time don'tcha?

PS hurrah to Whiskey's DP, he sounds like a star.
Big hug from me to him, 'cos if I knew you in RL I would deffo want to take you out to celebrate & unwind - that probably goes for about 100 women here right now!
Bloody well done again Whiskey, you passed a milestone tonight Wine

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:40

GreenTulips

Tbh, I was bloody tempted to drive to mine and say they'd have to walk from here, but that would've been really petty (although probably satisfying short term), which isn't really in my nature, and I don't want to cause issues for my dd, or play tit for tat.

I'd also like to at least try to keep the friendship, such as it is, although I definitely intend to stick up for myself a lot more going forward.

OP posts:
Blahblahblah12345 · 17/01/2020 23:41

@whiskeychaser will you update us next week?

Blahblahblah12345 · 17/01/2020 23:42

Will you update us next week?

Blahblahblah12345 · 17/01/2020 23:44

I didnt mean to post twice! Sorry. I thought the first one hadn't poster 🙈

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:50

Lol, messolini9, but do you have 2 years worth of 15 mins to bank?

I've talked to my oh, who is much more assertive than me, and I've decided that I'm not going to engage further or chase her about this issue.

I think I've made my position crystal clear, and so there won't be any further reminders from me. If she's not here for 6pm next Friday, I'll leave without her.
If she or her dd text me about it I will just keep sending back the same text:

"Happy to continue doing you a favour by driving your dd to/ from club, but as I've said previously, detouring to pick her up from yours is no longer working for me, so please ensure [redacted]'s at my house for 6pm sharp if she wants a lift there".

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:51

Yes, I will.

I'll probably be needing the advice and the Dutch courage to keep it up, lol. I'm really hoping she just drops her pride and gives in though.

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:57

I'd tell her to take it off my bill from the last 2 years! In reality though, I probably wouldn't be ballsy enough to say it out loud!

I would definitely say something along the lines of that though, but probably much more politely.

I have to say though that if she was that much if a CF, it would spell the end of the friendship on my part and the end of the free ride for her dd.

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1Morewineplease · 17/01/2020 23:57

Brilliant!

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 23:58

That pp was to @WhatsTheLatest* 's question.

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cstaff · 18/01/2020 00:13

You really played a blinder tonight Whiskey. Just forget about it, let it fall out of your head until next week. Continue as you did tonight and let her do any asking or begging if she changes her mind. Once she realises that she is just cutting off her nose to spite her face by paying for a cab when there's a free ride 15 minutes away she will change her mind.

I think she was making a point tonight and trying to make you feel like the bad guy. Well that didn't work. Keep it up. You were fab.

Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 00:30

@Catmaiden, on the way home I use a slightly different (more direct) route as the 'rush hour' is finished by then.

This means I pretty much drive past her house before getting to mine (coming from the opposite direction to the way I go on the way there).
It's just not a do-able route on the way there though, as it take you through part of the city centre, and would take far too long at that time of day.

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messolini9 · 18/01/2020 00:34

Lol, messolini9, but do you have 2 years worth of 15 mins to bank?

Dammit Whiskey, what have we unleashed in you?
The powers of assertion grow strong in this one ...

Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 00:35

Thanks, cstaff, that's what I'm going to do, and I hope she'll see that she's only hurting herself and her dd by being this petty/stubborn.

I definitely think she got the cab to make a point.

It's not going to make me feel guilty though as she had another option; she just didn't want to take me up on it.

Maybe she thought it would make her look like a pushover/weak!

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 18/01/2020 00:36

I find it much easier 'on paper' than face to face, lol. Confused Grin

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Catmaiden · 18/01/2020 00:37

That makes perfect sense OP, I know what you mean about taking different routes at different times of day :)

messolini9 · 18/01/2020 00:41

We all find it easier 'on paper', Whiskey.
But the face to face ninja skills come with practice, & you've certainly qualified as a competent Assertion Ninja tonight!

rededucator · 18/01/2020 00:50

How much would the taxI have cost her?