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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
messolini9 · 17/01/2020 11:59

Don't just not answer the phone make sure it's switched off then if she mentions it later say you forgot to charge it and pretend you did it in the car on the way there.

Why is it, on every CF thread, that PP pop up & advise the OP to lie?

The OP has no reason to lie.
She has done nothing wrong, she will be doing nothing wrong this evening, & the bloody worst advice for a people-pleaser is telling them to hide behind untruths & deflections instead of practicing their straightforward "say it like it is" skills.

chocolateandpinkgin · 17/01/2020 13:14

@NoProblem123
I moved house to get out of my arrangement

Really? You actually MOVED HOUSE to get out of a car share arrangement? I'm guessing they were a complete CF, but why on earth did you end up having to move house? I feel like we need a back story on this!

OP, I'm glad you stood your ground. Something tells me there'll be a reason she can't get a taxi later and you'll end a getting a message saying her DD wants a lift after all. Let us know how it goes.

Likethebattle · 17/01/2020 13:33

Keep remembering you are doing them a favour!

MMadness · 17/01/2020 13:39

Tell her to get an Uber. Either to yours or the club. She's taking the kids.

MMadness · 17/01/2020 13:40

*Piss

BoomBoomsCousin · 17/01/2020 14:22

Why do people keep putting a full stop in the comments, with no comment? Is it to watch a thread? If so, why dont you just 'watch' the thread?

Because way back in the annals of time it used to be the easy way to keep all the threads you were interested in listed together. The boards have evolved since then and the watch function is now way better but old habits die hard and sometimes newer people pick them up too.

Flimflamfloogety · 17/01/2020 14:29

I'd just say "Cool, see you at club then. If you can make it to ours for 6pm more than happy to drive you"

Leave it at that. You're not obliged to drive her or her dd anywhere and tbh it sounds like she's taking the piss.

If they don't turn up at 6 then just go by yourselves.

SaphfireRose · 17/01/2020 14:32

@OutFoxxedByABadger I agree, it is bloody rude and thoughtless. My god, the 'watch' link is at the top, and the bottom, of the thread. All one needs to do is click on that and you will be updated. Considering threads max out at 1000 posts, which does seem like a lot, but when you add in these timewasting so and sos that do the . s, if it is a very hot topic thread, those posts wasted by the .s take up space. It makes me so mad as it is so anti-social, selfish and inconsiderate and plain lazy that I have considered reporting those types of posts. I haven't yet, but every time I see some self-centred ah just doing '.' I feel like it. The 'watching' function was designed for that purpose, so for freak sake just USE IT people.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 17/01/2020 14:38

While we're at it, how about adding a facility to delete comments from people who haven't read the thread? It could be a little symbol like a cancelled cheque. Click it and that poster's comments are removed, the thread is not derailed, and everyone is happy 😂

RubysRoo · 17/01/2020 14:39

Agreed with all those suggesting you simply explain while you can drop them home after, they need to make their way to yours. Remind them you will leave at 6 pm. I have a friend like this. She's clueless as to how her transport situation causes problems for others.

NoProblem123 · 17/01/2020 14:49

Chocolateandpinkgin

Because my life was no longer my own !
A car share was arranged by colleagues for me to collect non-driver Miss CF one day and it snowballed to every day, there AND back, then via her child’s school, then the odd school pick up, then every pickup, then shop stops we’re thrown in.
She started matching my annual leave, then moaning when it couldn’t match.
She stopped telling me when she wasn’t coming in so I’d be sat outside waiting, then on occasions I would drive off, I’d get an angry call to go back (I stopped going back) and then it would be silence on the home run.
I wouldn’t let her smoke in my car so I’d have to wait for her to finish her leisurely fag before I could drive off.
Every journey involved an update about her ex and loads of expletives, some times for an extra treat it would be an angry shouty phone call.

She moved house, I changed my hours AND work pattern, I couldn’t get away from her. I’d make after work ‘excuses’ and she’d come with me.

I have no reason why I put up but she had an answer for everything !
The week I moved house she hooked up with the IT guy so he now ferries her round !

Chocmallows · 17/01/2020 15:12

OP we need a report after you're back from the club to say how it went!

midwintermorning · 17/01/2020 15:20

Even my kids will insist their friends come to our house if they want a lift to save me the bother of going to get the friends - even though I don't mind.

Serendipity79 · 17/01/2020 15:34

I really feel for you OP as I am a people pleaser too. I have spent many years changing my own arrangements to suit other people. I made a New Year resolution this year to stop trying to fix problems that aren't mine. My examples so far this month:

Daughter (20) texts Sat evening from the pub - "Mum I drove to the pub as I have work in the morning but I feel like having a drink tonight so might leave my car here and get a taxi home, just need you to give me a lift to work in the morning @7am". Usually I'd resign myself to a very early start and take her in but this time my reply was "Tired myself this weekend so having a lie in tomorrow - not going to be up in time to take you" - hey presto, she sorts out staying with her friend right near work and I get my lie in :)

On/Off friend text me yesterday - "I'm coming to see you this weekend, I know you said next weekend would be better but coming Friday night and leaving Saturday night suits me this weekend so your kids will have to miss that party so I can see them".(Party for their friend has been in the diary since December), My reply - "Oh what a shame we'll have to take a rain check then - let me know next time you're free and we can compare diaries".

I feel like I'm taking control of my life back slowly - and you are too - just stick to your guns! it feels totally alien sometimes, especially when you wrongly get the blame for whatever the consequences are :)

Queenofheartsnomore · 17/01/2020 15:45

Shock good for you!

MistyCloud · 17/01/2020 15:46

I agree with previous pps, that it's not true that people who can't drive are selfish and entitled.

But I also agree with the poster who said people who won't learn to drive can be selfish and entitled. (some of them!)

As I said previously, I (and my DH) were always being mugged off and used by people... parents (mums usually) at the school and in the neighbourhood, cadging and begging lifts for their kids, and leaving them at our house for hours on end, because their kids 'liked it better at ours...' Hmm

In addition, what I didn't mention earlier (as my post was long enough!) is that my DH used to get people begging lifts from work some years ago. We lived 3 miles from his work at the time, and he drove there and back, as he often needed the car in his workday.

5 or 6 people there (mix of men and women) didn't drive. They had never learned to because when they grew up, all their extended family, the pubs they frequented, most shops they needed to go to, and their mates all lived within a mile or two of where they lived.

These 5 or 6 people lived between 2 and 5 miles from the workplace, (and did various shifts,) and they constantly asked - and even expected - lifts to their house, as DH was 'going that way anyway.' Hmm And the ones who lived 5-6 miles from the workplace, said 'it's not THAT much further' for DH to drop them off. Hmm

So, on top of the entitled-mummy brigade in the neighbourhood/at the school, we had a lot of other piss-taking in our lives.

So whilst we do/have known a few non-drivers who are decent, and independent, and would only ask for a lift in a real emergency, there were unfortunately quite a number of people who did take the piss.

And as many people have said on this thread, they went into a huff, started getting snarky and rude, and told everyone who we had 'let them down' when we stopped the free taxi service.

Upshot is, these people think that we are somehow more 'privileged' than them, because we can both drive, (and have always had a car - albeit only one between us for the 30 years we've been together,) and that we somehow OWE them as they are so hard done by. 🙄

Some (as I said) never learned to drive because they never needed to, as everything was so close. And others (particularly the entitled-mummy brigade at school/in the neighbourhood) didn't learn because they couldn't afford it.

Yet they still managed to afford designer clothes, smartphones, playstations, x boxes, 43" tellies, scratchcards, a pack of smokes every day, and 2 or 3 nights out at the pub and bingo a week. If they had cut back on some of their money-wasting items and hobbies, they would have been able to pay for driving lessons, and to get a car of their own.

Very few people can AFFORD to learn to drive. Me and DH struggled to pay for the dozens of lessons and tests needed when WE learned to drive, and it's the same for most people. And we also pay a lot out to run a car, with tax, MOT, insurance, petrol, oil, tyres, lightbulbs, services, and general maintenance and upkeep of it.

These entitled fuckers must think we all got our lessons for free, and then a car for free, that runs on fresh air, with parts and labour free forever. Hmm

We also had similar shit happening with people expecting my DH to do free I.T. work for them, but that's a whole other rant that will take all day!!! We had to stop that too! Hmm

Nomorelaundry · 17/01/2020 16:01

2 hours to go 🤣

cologne4711 · 17/01/2020 16:03

Why do people keep putting a full stop in the comments, with no comment? Is it to watch a thread? If so, why dont you just 'watch' the thread

I wonder this too. I just come into AIBU and scroll until I get to the threads I am interested in (or go on "I'm on"). I really don't get why you need the PMK but I use a laptop, not the app.

messolini9 · 17/01/2020 16:05

know you said next weekend would be better but coming Friday night and leaving Saturday night suits me this weekend so your kids will have to miss that party so I can see them

Congratulations @Serendipity79!
Isn't it interesting how CF's assume that it's perfectly viable & acceptable for YOU to change plans/upset DC to suit THEM.
You will soon be finding that CF requests like this trickle off & then die altogether as your own personal CF's realise that it's not worth attempting to steamroller you any more.

Wine
namechangenumber2 · 17/01/2020 16:05

I think people do it so they can mark where they've read to? As it's a different colour?

ZigZagIntoTheBlue · 17/01/2020 16:20

I hope tonight goes smoothly and with no awkwardness - just remember you're in the right!

coconuttelegraph · 17/01/2020 16:20

On the mobile site which I'm guessing a lot of people use the post you bookmark is a different colour anyway, at least it is for me.

RubysRoo · 17/01/2020 16:54

I also wanted to say it is also good @Whiskeychaser that you are helping the Mum in her situation. And driving her dd home is a great example of that. But it still has to be reasonable.

YasssKween · 17/01/2020 17:11

Anyone else pouring a glass of wine for 6ish to eagerly await OP's update?

No?

Me either. Ahem.

YasssKween · 17/01/2020 17:11

And I MEAN 6 not 6ish, because otherwise I'm late and I am most certainly not a CF.

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