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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
WhatsTheLatest · 17/01/2020 09:31

Why do people keep putting a full stop in the comments, with no comment? Is it to watch a thread? If so, why dont you just 'watch' the thread? Confused

OutFoxxedByABadger · 17/01/2020 09:34

I'd like the odds on "texts whiskey in a fit of rage at some point today that she can't believe whiskey would make her pay for a taxi she cant afford"

SingaporeSlinky · 17/01/2020 09:49

I’d leave at 5.50pm and don’t answer the phone. As others have said, she’s not going to be able to afford a taxi all that way each week, she was just throwing a strop to make a point. Stand firm and remember, you were doing them the favour. CF mum should be going out of her way to get her DD to you on time, not making demands.

hellsbellsmelons · 17/01/2020 09:51

Wow - just seen this.
CF - massively.
Don't stress about later.
Just see what happens.

hellsbellsmelons · 17/01/2020 09:52

I wonder how much a cab would be as well.
Around here, that would be £20+ so probably £100 per month.
If she can't afford to run a car then she can't afford that extra every month.
I think you'll see her at yours later!

coconuttelegraph · 17/01/2020 09:54

Don't just not answer the phone make sure it's switched off then if she mentions it later say you forgot to charge it and pretend you did it in the car on the way there. I think it's more than 50:50 that she'll try to change the arrangements during the day.

Why do people keep putting a full stop in the comments, with no comment? Is it to watch a thread? If so, why dont you just 'watch' the thread? I've never understood that, same as the posters who write placemarking or pm - why? Maybe of of them can explain why they don't use the watch and bookmark functions?

Ceci03 · 17/01/2020 09:55

Could you phone her? I think you need to spell it out. You're not giving her an option - it's either walk down to the house, or F* off....

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 09:58

My phone will be on silent all day and I won't be checking messages until I get to the club tonight.

I will also ask my dd to do the same (from the time she gets home), and to not engage with any texts from them.

I will be leaving dead on 6pm, with or without her dd.

OP posts:
OldEvilOwl · 17/01/2020 10:01

I think the other dd won't be there. It will be your fault she's missing out, and you will be made to feel guilty. Do not back down OP.
Also if they are there, don't mention next week/taxis at all. Also don't offer a lift home, see if they assume or ask for one. No way are they going to be forking out for a taxi every week

Guavaf1sh · 17/01/2020 10:01

People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish

Whiskeychaser · 17/01/2020 10:03

I very rarely use cabs myself, but I'd say it's got to be at least between £15-20 one way, if not more. Last time I got a cab it was only about a 4 mile journey (max) and cost me a tenner, (it was late evening though).

OP posts:
Blackbear19 · 17/01/2020 10:05

I think she'll pay it once and never again once she realises the cost.
Next week she'll be in a taxi to your house.

Ceci03 · 17/01/2020 10:25

sorry, hadn't read the whole thread - ignore me. Good luck tonight whiskey - keep us posted wont you!!!!!

Missteebeee · 17/01/2020 10:28

You should say “what time would you like my dd to arrive at yours o get the cab there? I’ll pick up as usual as you’ll now be responsible for getting the girls there”

grin

BlouseAndSkirt · 17/01/2020 10:38

it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home

Reply “LOL! That’s exactly my problem! It is a very tight turnaround for me getting in from work, getting dinner, ready to leave etc, and the detour to yours takes up 25% of the time I have!”

Can the girl cycle to yours?

Just be very calm and factual. Say that due to the detour, even with you dressing yourself out for this 45 mins, your Dd has missed the very start 4 out of 6 times, and you don’t think this is fair.

“I am really happy to give your Dd a lift every week, but for that to happen she needs to be at our house at 2 mins to 6. That is the only way it can work for me. Sorry, but the journey home from work now often takes longer and I just don’t have the extra 15 mins to come to yours”.

Be calm, friendly and nice, and if she makes a fall out over it she is a selfish exploitative CF.

BlouseAndSkirt · 17/01/2020 10:39

People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish

What bollocks.

WillLokireturn · 17/01/2020 10:41

Good plan @Whiskychaser
You have us all behind you to keep you strong! You've been so reasonable and kind, keep reminding yourself that.

Let's see how the odds pan out in he bets we've all made!! Grin

faw2009 · 17/01/2020 10:44

"People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish"

Total bollocks.

I would NEVER assume or take for granted any lifts given. I'd be mortified to even ask.

Babysharkdoodoodood · 17/01/2020 11:29

@Guavaf1sh Utter bollocks

I don't drive and somehow managed to get through life without cadging lifts, even as a single mum with 2 boys. Just meant loads of buses, bikes and scooters through their school life. My oh sometimes gives me a lift to work if he's around , but otherwise I use buses and Uber.

AlpacaGoodnight · 17/01/2020 11:32

@MrsCollinssettled love it!

YasssKween · 17/01/2020 11:39

People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish

Eh?! I used to drive and now have epilepsy after a brain injury so I can't. I feel embarrassed even though it can't be helped and never ask for lifts. I'm sure a lot of people are too proud like me. Hell of a sweeping statement there! The woman OP is dealing with just sounds like an absolute nob, regardless of her ability to drive!

GoldenBlue · 17/01/2020 11:43

Betting they call and continue to try and persuade you rather than pay for a cab

cologne4711 · 17/01/2020 11:49

People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish

I think the word is "won't". Clearly there are lots of people who can't, for medical and/or financial reasons. I have a friend who has had fits and can't drive currently and I said to him was only too happy to help as I am at home most of the time, but he's not asked.

But if you choose not to drive, and then expect the rest of the world to accommodate you, that is somewhat entitled.

Big difference between won't and can't.

messolini9 · 17/01/2020 11:49

Depends on whether Friend wants to spend £20 on a taxi tonight to make an unnecessary point
Grin [grin Grin Grin Grin

And to be frank if she does, she could have used that instead to buy OP some wine and chocolates to thank get from 2 years and more of favours and lifts!!!!
But @WillLokireturn, that would entail abandoning the position where 'friend' need portray no gratitude, as she doesn't want OP remembering who is doing who the favour here ... Grin & that's "not on"!

messolini9 · 17/01/2020 11:56

People who don’t drive do tend to be very entitled and selfish

You are SO RIGHT, @Guavaf1sh!
Whereas all car drivers are noble, saintlike creatures, brimming with compassion for their fellow women, & who hardly even get a chance to get behind the wheel because they are so busy rolling bandages in a childrens' hospital & extracting trapped kittens from trees.

Fucksake - I read a lot of cobblers here, but what are you on, Guava?

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