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AIBU with regard to giving lifts...

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Whiskeychaser · 15/01/2020 22:37

Hi, sorry this is so long but I don't want to drip feed.

My dd and her friend, both 14 years olds, go to a club every Friday after school. My dd decided to attend this club and after about 6 weeks her friend wanted to try it out, but because her mum doesn't drive, and because it's quite far away, (about 1hr 30min walking through some not great areas) the only way she can really attend is if I drive her.

I was happy to do this as I'm taking my dd anyway, they're friends and it's a nice thing to do and so I have been doing this for almost 2 years now.

I am friends with the mum too, although we don't see that much of each other anymore as she changed jobs a year ago, and now works much longer hours.

Unfortunately, Friday has become a really busy day for me over the last year, as although I'm a sahm, I have many commitments on my time, and Friday is one that is fixed, and I can't get out of, so I'm generally not home until 5pm.

Club is 18-25 mins away by car due to traffic at that time, and club starts at 6.30pm and goes on until 8pm.

We would need to leave from my house at 6pm in order to allow enough time for the traffic jams we usually encounter.

They live about 1.5 mile away by car, but in the opposite driving direction to the club.
Walking distance is much less though as there is a short cut they can use, which would take them less than 10 minutes, and even the long way around (0.8 miles) would only take them 15 minutes according to Google.

Due to traffic at that time it's a 15 minute detour to pick them up from their house, so this means I have to leave my house at 5.45pm at the latest in order to have enough time to drive to the club.

I'm finding it increasingly stressful to get dinner, etc, sorted within the 30-40 minute time frame this realistically leaves me.

As a consequence, I'm often running a bit late leaving my house, so I may be a maximum of 10 minutes late picking them up, which leaves me even more stressed and rushing to get to the club on time, as I prefer to be there 5 minutes early.

For example, two weeks ago I picked them up (mum came that week) 10 minutes late and parked up at the club dead on 6pm, which realistically meant they were 2-3 minutes late for it by the time they entered the hall.

Over the last 2 years they've only been actually late to class a maximum of 4 times (twice in the last 12 months), but the stress I'm feeling rushing around, or cutting my stuff short in order to not be late for them is really getting to me.

I would say I'm late picking her/them up probably 4 out of every 6 times.

This varies from being a minute late picking them up to a maximum of 10 minutes late and probably averages 4 minutes, and although this only rarely results in them being late for the actual club, it stresses me out nevertheless.

If I'm not outside their house by 5.45pm, I immediately start getting texts asking where I am, which I obviously can't answer as I'm driving, and anyway stopping to reply would just make me even later! Hearing the texts pinging also stresses me out even more.

Seven or eight times over the summer, she walked up to us for short before 6pm, so that we could leave my house at 6pm and I found that so much less stressful.
I know it doesn't sound like much but that extra 15 minutes made all the difference for me. I was much less stressed and we always got there 5 minutes early every time.

Since the weather has got colder and darker, I've been picking her up from her house, and it's just not working for me, and I feel really guilty when I'm picking them up late, so I thought I'd take a leaf out of the MNer book and let them know I was having a problem. I really didn't expect there to be an issue.

In the spirit of this, I sent the mum a text yesterday afternoon and asked her to get her dd to walk up to ours for 5pm on Friday (thinking about when it gets dark), instead of me driving to get her for 5.45pm.

My dd got a text back from the dd almost immediately saying: it's fine they'd rather wait for me to pick them up as it gives them more time at home, and that they'd see me then (turns out mum is coming along too).

I then texted the mum back again saying that that didn't suit me, being late is stressing me out and I'd rather she/they walked here as I also need that extra time myself.
Mum texted me again and said she's coming on Friday too so we can catch up, but that she really doesn't want to walk to me as it is 'miserable weather' outside now, and she prefers to leave home as late as possible.
I texted back and said they didn't need to be here until 6pm then, but that I would like them to come to me in future, as it makes my life easier.

I had no reply to that text, which I sent around 8pm yesterday, until this morning when I had a text saying: 'it's not on, it's really cold and wet now and it will be dark, I'm driving anyway so it makes no difference to me, and is much easier for me, but will put them out, and so I should just pick them up as usual'.

I really don't want to fall out with the mum or cause issues for my dd, as the dd can be quite moody, but I'm pretty hurt that the mum can't see it from my point of view, especially considering I've never before asked for anything in return.

I know the mum works really long hours, and I know she worries about her dd walking in the dark, (even though she's allowed to go out in the dark at other times), but at the end of the day I'm doing them both a favour, and I've never asked for any contribution or anything in return (& wouldn't as I'm going there anyway). Even when the mum comes we take it in turns to buy a coffee, and I wouldn't expect her to pay for mine anyway (that's not why I'm helping them out).
I'm doing it because they're/we're friends, it helps them and is a nice thing to do plus we're going there anyway.

I also always drop them off at their house; I just wanted that bit of breathing space before the club.

AIBU to have asked them to come to me, and how do I handle it now?

I know what I want to say, which isn't printable, but I don't want to say something I'll later regret, and I really don't want to fall out over this, but I also don't want to be a doormat (my New Year's resolution is to be less of a people pleaser).

I've always been a people pleaser and hate saying no, so now I'm wondering if it was petty of me to expect them to come to me.

OP posts:
bullyingadvice2017 · 16/01/2020 21:34

Can you not send your dd over to hers to share the taxi.... Then you did only need to pick them up later.

Ayemama · 16/01/2020 21:35

Leave at 5.55 tomorrow and if they then text or call you say 'oh sorry I thought you were getting a taxi?'
The texting you continuously while your driving if you're a few minutes later is really shitty they are getting a free lift and were getting free pick up and drop off they don't get to then harass you when you run a minute or two late for pick up.

I used to get that from a coworker who lived 2 minutes from work but insisted she be picked up 20 minutes before start time, I lived 5 minutes away so after a few cases of her constantly texting to tell me to hurry up I refused and told her she could walk and stand in the cold if she wanted to be there before the building even opened, it didnt go down very well.

Newmumatlast · 16/01/2020 21:39

@bullyingadvice2017 I guess the only problem is she would then have to fork out for half the cost of taxi each week plus her DD would have to walk on her own to her mates house when it's the mate that wants the lift and DD has one

Whynosnowyet · 16/01/2020 21:41

Do not get into any more taxi service arrangements op...
Let her get her dd there and back.
You manage it!!

Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 21:45

Thanks, everyone, the support is really helping me feel like I'm not being unreasonable. Smile

OP posts:
Whiskeychaser · 16/01/2020 21:48

cstaff, that's not a bad point actually. I may just go with that and say absolutely nothing about next week, and see what happens then.

OP posts:
NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 16/01/2020 21:58

Hopefully you’ve heard this enough, but - you are SO not being unreasonable!

(And FWIW this is coming from someone who is a non-driver and thinks non-drivers get an unfair load of hate on MN sometimes; and also from someone who is a FT working (single) parent and can get a bit (sometimes unfairly) eyerolly when SAHM complain of being pushed for time. I probably couldn’t be better placed to sympathise with the other girl’s mum. But I don’t, because she is cheeky as fuck and I am embarrassed for her!)

WhatchaMaCalllit · 16/01/2020 22:01

@Whiskeychaser - the support is really helping me feel like I'm not being unreasonable

You're not being unreasonable. You're really really not.

Don't panic about tomorrow. Or the following Friday or the one after that (repeat as many times as necessary).

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 16/01/2020 22:05

As I'm evil... I would be saying... If she does get a taxi... Say for the week after... I'm so relieved you're paying for a taxi for our daughters as your share of the costs of taking them these last 2 years....

PS... You really really need to keep up not being a people pleaser OP! Well done...

Your friends reaction reminds me of that saying..

For those who are priveleged, equality feels like oppression...

Noshowlomo · 16/01/2020 22:10

Great text OP!

billy1966 · 16/01/2020 22:10

I wouldn't mention next week either.
You have said your piece and that's it.

It's such a pity but the older I get the more I agree with the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" and it's so disappointing.

It has definitely put me on my guard.

FraglesRock · 16/01/2020 22:11

She's really stuffed up her parcel delivery service

Smelborp · 16/01/2020 22:21

I agree, do not mention the taxi or the journey at all. It would be like you taking on her problem and accepting it as part your responsibility. Her DD getting to club is her problem, and her problem only.

Don’t back down, you’ve done so well!

JayAlfredPrufrock · 16/01/2020 22:26

Why doesn’t she drive?

FrenchBoule · 16/01/2020 22:32

OP, don’t say anything.
You were doing them a favour ferrying DD’s friend for 2 years. You asked only if she could be at yours at certain time because the logistics of you driving to pick her up were difficult.

Mother refused stating”it’s not on”

They don’t do you a favour by getting into your car and being late.

Cheeky Fuckers at its finest, 2 years of lifts and not even a mere “thank you”

As somebody said “ Givers need to have strong boundaries because takers don’t have any”.

Don’t cave in OP.
After activity take DD somewhere ( e.g. supermarket),leave her friend behind and let the mother step in to arrange the transport. She didn’t lift her finger for 2 years.

And MN mantra “ that doesn’t work for me”. No further explanation needed.

DryIce · 16/01/2020 22:35

OP, I think you're handled it well.

If you're weakening - that taxi text would piss me right off. If she thinks a taxi takes the same time she's essentially saying your lift saves her no time, but saves her the money on a cab. So your rushed frazzled traffic journey is the cost of the journey - and she doesn't even have to see that!

Ohyesiam · 16/01/2020 22:42

Nice work op. You are in the right here, you don’t need to bend to accommodate anyone, because you and your time are worth just as much s as anyone else.
Watch your tendency to over explain, as that’s just a way of apologising.
You’re don’t really well changing your people pleasing dynamic.

Bayleaf25 · 16/01/2020 22:54

I’m still not clear on whether there’s a DH who can drive/help out,

@Whiskeychaser just a thought but is your friends DH around, does he drive? If so why can’t he do the lifts at least every other week? Getting home for 6pm in a Friday isn’t that hard. Even if he works away surely he can adjust his hours to be home one evening for 6pm?

Apologies if I’ve missed that she’s a single mum

Blondebakingmumma · 16/01/2020 23:37

I’m so angry for you! What a self centered woman!
“In the time it takes me”!!
Seriously!
She should be grateful for 2 YEARS worth of lifts and return favours rather than take take take.
She could have at least offered to pick you and your daughter up in the cab to give you a night off driving!

HoldMyLobster · 16/01/2020 23:53

Blatantly here for tomorrow's update. Loving your work so far!

GreenTulips · 17/01/2020 00:00

She’s in a huff! Surely she could’ve got a taxi to your house, saving an awful lot of money!

See what tomorrow brings

EskiVodkaCranberry · 17/01/2020 00:19

I reckon her DD was nagging her to sort it out
She'd had a rubbish few days at work like your dd said and she couldn't be bothered with her DD having a strop over it
She imagined you'd cave quicker than her DD
you didn't
So she will pay for a cab once, realise it's ridiculous and tell her DD to get walking next week
(She can bring with her a bunch of flowers to say thank you) Thanks

WillLokireturn · 17/01/2020 01:45

Oooh, I'll work out odds & want to take a bet on the following ....

2:1 - Her DD turns up at your house before 6pm Friday, as CF realised taxis are expensive and she's an idiot

5:2 - Her DD takes a taxi there this week, but she turns up at yours next week by 6pm

3:1 - there's a last minute crisis at 6:15pm with taxi being late/turning up that she frantically rings you about and asks you to fix (which she indicates is 'all your fault' )

7:2 - her DD turns up late to your house for a lift after 6pm because "taxi" "child walked slow" "rain" etc which is 'all your fault'

4:1 - she finds another mug to take her and her DD in to club and spends part of their car journey moabjng about you

4:3 - she's frosty with you, complains about how much taxi cost and what she can't now but and expects a lift home anyway for both her and her DD

15:1 - it all goes without hitch, you see her and her DD there, she thanks you and says let me pay a bit of p

What do other MNers think?

WillLokireturn · 17/01/2020 01:48

Oooh I missed a bit

7:2 - her DD turns up late to your house for a lift after 6pm because "taxi" "child walked slow" "rain" etc which is now 'all your fault' because you've left already

WillLokireturn · 17/01/2020 01:54

Lol. I was falling asleep and hadn't finished another one...

15:1 - it all goes without hitch, you see her and her DD there, she thanks you and says let me pay a bit of petrol money to thank you for taking us home

I was hoping an odds game could make OP smile and be less likely to feel need to people-please iif Friend tries to push that line a bit so she's pre-warn and prepared

I'd put my money in the 2:1 option!!