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To not invite this boy over for play dates because of his mother.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 15/01/2020 09:47

My son is five years old, in Year 1 at school and he has five good friends. All of us moms get on well too.

Our sons do various activities together (sports and other things), we all go on group trips our together and maybe once a month us moms go out together to socialise child-free.

Anyhow, one of the mothers is lovely but quite materialistic (and likes to show off about things) and about six months ago I was round her house with my son as we were preparing to take the boys swimming and she told me that she doesn’t let her son go to anyone’s house (for a play date) unless she has been inside the house herself and looked around it to make sure it’s suitable for her son to spend time there. She told me a tale about one house she’d been in and there were some stains on the carpet and that the bathroom hadn’t looked like it had been cleaned recently and so she wouldn’t let her son go there even though he was really good friends with the woman’s daughter.

I have never invited her son to my house for this reason. He is the only one out of my son’s friends that I haven’t had over to play.

Of the four other friends, this week I have two of the boys coming over after school and next week the other two boys are coming over.

The woman in question cornered me in the school playground this morning and said she felt very hurt that I was excluding her son from the play dates.

Rather than skirt around the issue I told her that if she was only going to allow her son to come and play depending on her judgment of the quality of my house, as opposed to how long she and I have known each other (18 months) and how well our boys get on, then it wasn’t something I wanted to be involved in. I was polite to her about it but I still wanted her to know how uncomfortable I felt about her judgements of others.

She looked furious and stormed off.

But I’m not BU am I ?

Ok, I feel bad that her son isn’t getting invited round when the rest of the boys are, but why should I allow her into my house purely so she can look around it and make an assessment as to whether it’s suitable enough for her son to be in?

That’s not normal behaviour is it?!

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OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 18/01/2020 13:47

Cross Post.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 18/01/2020 13:48

Anyway my previous advice stands whether it's tomorrow or Friday - tell her in advance that there won't be a tour.

Dontdisturbmenow · 18/01/2020 13:48

Walls that need repainting are no big deal. I can't get from your anxiety whether your house is perfectly acceptable and you are worrying over nothing, or whether your house is really a pit, you know it and are embarrassed by it but divirting the issue to make it hers.

If the former, than take a big breath, stop torturing yourself over it, invite her and remind yourself that if she makes comments afterwards, she will be the one alienating herself and the one who no-one will want to have around.

If it is the latter, than you really need to sort it out. You should be proud of your home and feel that if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for others.

You mentioned the garden. There is a big difference between a garden with some shrubs that could do with cutting, the grass looking sad, trees a bit over grown, and a garden with rubbish every where, the grass 3 feet tall, and dog poo everywhere.

Did you mention if the other mums have been in? If so and they clearly have no issues with their children coming over, then just stop worrying about the view of this mum. If you also have an issue with them visiting, then you do have an issue with your house.

MzHz · 18/01/2020 13:49

As long as I he en-suite is clean, that’s all that matters

Your cloakroom is presumably in good decorative order, but out of order, so let her use his en-suite and then so fucking what if that’s not good enough. If she gossips she won’t be invited back, you’ll have jettisoned a superficial and judgemental woman from your life and that will be that

Plan b is cancel the whole play date and reschedule

QueenofmyPrinces · 18/01/2020 14:11

Walls that need repainting are no big deal.

To normal people they aren’t, no.

Carpet stains aren’t usually a big deal to people either, but to the HVM they are a still a valid reason for a house not to be suitable enough for her son to be in.

And to answer previous comments: my garden is really lovely, but very small compared to hers.

Of the other 4 boys, only two of them have been to my house before. One of those moms has been up to my living room but the other mom only came into the hallway when she picked up her son.

The other two boys, for which this recent visit is their first to my house, neither of their moms had been into the house prior to them coming over. The first they saw of my house was the hallway/kitchen when the came to collect their son.

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sonjadog · 18/01/2020 14:18

Cancel next Friday. You have an appointment you forgot about. Leave it for a bit and see how you feel when this all calms down. Then invite or not depending on how you feel then.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 18/01/2020 14:25

Carpet stains aren’t usually a big deal to people either, but to the HVM they are a still a valid reason for a house not to be suitable enough for her son to be in

Well then she won't come back, and she won't keep on at you to invite her son round to yours Wink.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 18/01/2020 14:53

@QueenIfMyPrinces - my advice is to say what @Contessa suggested earlier this morning:
"Look, HFW. We're at a bit of an impasse here; you're uncomfortable letting your son visit any house you haven't checked for cleanliness, but I'm deeply uncomfortable with feeling like I have to open my home up for inspection. The only way we can really go ahead with Sunday's event from my perspective is if you promise to keep inspection to a minimum, as this is really stressing me out. I hope that makes sense - your son is very welcome here but this inspection criterion is unusual and really causing ructions here (DH doesn't like the idea either and is putting up with it because I've asked him to). Thanks and see you then, Queen".

Haffdonga · 18/01/2020 14:56

I think she's backed herself into a corner and there's no way she will express any fault with your house. She wants her ds to be invited as part of the group - she said so and she's now in the awkward position of having insisted on her own ridiculous rules. You've been assertive and clear that you don't want to be judged on your house so the only way out of this Mexican stand off is doing just what you would with any other mum on any other play date. Remember - she's the one with more to lose.

QueenofmyPrinces · 18/01/2020 15:33

Well I’ve just got off the phone to her and it didn’t go well. This is probably going to a little bit scrambled up though because I can’t remember everything that was said and my brain is still trying to make sense of it all.

I told her that although I had relented (a little) and said it was fine for her to come in for a drink and stay for the few hours her son would be here, I still felt very uncomfortable about it.

I said that although she has been told she isn’t getting a tour of the house, the fact that I will still know she is there checking to make sure my house isn’t dirty still doesn’t sit right with me. I said that the damage has already been done and nothing we say/do is going to change the fact that I know she will be sitting there and deciding whether my house is suitable enough for her son to be in.

I said it would be absolutely fine if it was just a normal social call, see where her son will be, stay for ten minutes to check he’s ok etc, but that we both know her visit isn’t like that and I don’t feel ok about it.

She then had a big go about how I can’t cancel it now because her son was all excited and it would be really cruel of me.

I acknowledged that and did apologise, but I also said that I felt very pressured to give in to her yesterday because she bought the issue up in front of the children which I felt was a bit unfair. I asked her what it was she had expected me to say with the children right there and listening?! I said that I felt I had no option but to invite her son round because there wasn’t much else I could say with the children all listening in.

Anyhow - she told me that nobody else minded showing her around their houses to prove it was clean, and the fact that I wont do it is just an excuse to not invite her son. She basically said that I must not like her son and that’s why I haven’t invited him round.

I told her that her son is wonderful (he is) and she knows that I would love to have him round but if she doesn’t feel comfortable leaving him with me without assessing the suitability of my house first then I can’t do anything about that.

It then got a bit shouty, she tried to tell me I was overreacting and couldn’t understand what my problem was, I told her that if she trusted me look after her son then to just let him come round after school one day on his own. She continued to say no and said it wouldn’t be happening until she could check my house was ok first.

We were just going round in circles so I ended it by saying I was sorry we couldn’t come to a mutual arrangement and that we will just have to accept that we have differing views on play date etiquette, and different boundaries, and unfortunately our differences can’t be resolved.

I told her that I would see her Monday morning and I hope this wouldn’t cause any issues between us, the other mothers, and the children but she near enough just put the phone down on me.

I feel awful about it all.

I know there are people on here who do think I’m overreacting but I genuinely don’t feel comfortable with her coming into my house with the sole aim being to decide if it’s clean enough for her son to be in. Even more so because I know if she’s happy to criticise other people’s houses to me, then she’ll also be happy to criticise my house to other people.

At the end of the day I just feel very anxious and uncomfortable about the whole thing and that is enough of a reason in my eyes to have cancelled it.

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Whynosnowyet · 18/01/2020 15:35

Meet her at door with a cleaning box and tell her to crack on while you make the coffee...

Neolara · 18/01/2020 15:38

She sounds a bit unhinged. Surely she must realise that people are potentially going to be offended by her judging their houses for cleanliness? Does she honestly not get this at all? Very odd.

ContessaferJones · 18/01/2020 15:43

Oh dear. I suggest that this is where you need to go to your friends for backup on how A) she's the weird one, not you and B) you like her son and always have.

ContessaferJones · 18/01/2020 15:43

By that I mean, tell them the gist of your dispute and ask them to please tell you if you're alone in not wanting to be inspected!!

ThanosSavedMe · 18/01/2020 15:49

Remember you have done nothing wrong @QueenofmyPrinces. She is nuts. It is her fault and her fault alone why her son isn’t coming to your house. All her talk of I can’t see why it’s a problem, we’ll you can equally say the same, why is it a problem that her so. Is at your house without her prior inspection.

She is the one with the problem, not you.

You’ve done the right thing by trying to find a compromise but as you said, your differing views don’t match and as it’s your home you get to choose who comes in or not. Her son has an open invite, she is choosing not to accept, therefore she is the one stopping g the play dates, not you.

sonjadog · 18/01/2020 15:52

I would really just leave this now. The more you discuss it, the more inflamed the situation will get. Leave it all to settle down now.

letmebefrank · 18/01/2020 15:56

Wow.

She thinks it's ok to be judgmental and gossipy about the cleanliness levels and 'niceness' of other people's homes being good/not good enough for her 5 year old to play in. But it's not ok for you to refuse to allow her a critical tour of your home to judge you worthy or not worthy. She can't even see how awful she's being; only her feelings and thoughts on the issue matter to her.

You've done the right thing: you've told her her lovely son is still welcome, but you won't be judged. Especially since by her own comments in the past about other peoples homes, she has clearly failed to differentiate between safe and clean and tatty, cluttered but still safe and clean for children to play.

Stains on carpets don't mean a home isn't clean and safe.
Clutter doesn't mean a home isn't clean and safe.
Walls that need painting doesn't mean a home isn't clean and safe.
I could go on.

but this is what she doesn't get, and I don't blame you at all for not catering to her madness. Just because others have doesn't mean you have to.

Your anxiety is just as important to give a nod to as her 'need' to judge others.

This is on her. not your.
I'd send her a link to the threat tbh. Likely to get picked up anyway.

QueenofmyPrinces · 18/01/2020 15:56

The more you discuss it, the more inflamed the situation will get. Leave it all to settle down now.

100% agree.

As far as I’m concerned, the issue has been addressed and put to bed. Never to be spoken of again hopefully.

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Dontdisturbmenow · 18/01/2020 15:58

Well maybe it was always going to end up this way because from what you are saying, it does sound like indeed, your house wouldn't meet her standards any way.

Have the other mums been in your house?

In the end, it doesn't sound like you are going to go back to be on good terms, so the question is how it is going to affect the dynamics of the group and what the other mums think of the whole situation.

Dontdisturbmenow · 18/01/2020 16:01

Sorry, just saw you answered about the other mums. Well clearly they don't have an issue, so they will back you up. If anything, she'll be the one who will feel judged, so I wouldn't worry. She'll find new friends for her ds, maybe change him to a new posher school.

QueenofmyPrinces · 18/01/2020 16:02

Have the other mums been in your house?

One of them has, yes.

I don’t know how it will affect the group dynamics, hopefully not too much, but I guess only time will tell with that. I’m hoping that once the dust has settled things will be ok between me and HVM again.

We are meant to having our monthly mother’s night out in a few weeks so I hope things have calmed down by them to at least mean we can be in each other’s company without their being any atmosphere.

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YourOpinionIsNoted · 18/01/2020 16:06

At the end of the day I just feel very anxious and uncomfortable about the whole thing and that is enough of a reason in my eyes to have cancelled it.

Absolutely. You've done nothing wrong, op. Well done for standing up for yourself.

Daisydrum · 18/01/2020 16:07

OP, can your husband or one of the other mums not help you out?
Ie. She comes in, you sit in the kitchen and then if she needs the bathroom you or hubby guide her and wait for her and then guide her back. Under no circumstances should she be going to the top floor!
And you do need to relax. You clearly adore the children, hence inviting them over and none of the other mums are getting accosted because they haven’t organised the play dates.
I don’t know why she can’t come in for a cup of tea and that’s that. But you need back up ie another sane adult with you to monitor her.

ikeakia · 18/01/2020 16:13

As I said earlier in the thread she is batshit. If for no other reason than making her intentions so clear and not putting your mind at ease over them when she had the chance.

My house is a three storey one too and having lived in other houses too I will swear this one just explodes more mess and clutter. Something to do with having three levels to spread out over! I could not cope with having someone in who was judging me and my lifestyle.

I honestly think you’ve made the right call OP, no matter what she throws at you next as I think that this is the only chance of saving the boys friendship. If she rejected your house as safe that’s a far harsher line drawn than the one you have drawn.

Andylion · 18/01/2020 16:22

she told me that nobody else minded showing her around their houses to prove it was clean,

But that's not true is it? At least not true of the other mothers?

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