William's alleged behaviour to blame?

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For Harry's departure , as suggested?
Is it all rumour or a genuine possibility in
Your opinion?
Surely William's personal life did not offend Harry so much that he would actually step back from his role and life in the UK?

God I see so much MM bashing everywhere. People are vile about her.

Funny how it is always the women in the RF that get the most vitriol aimed at them

I think a lot of the bashing is fuelled by racism

Agree wholeheartedly with both points. And I'll bow out on that positive note, as my deadline is due and I've idled on MN long enough

That old chestnut was used to justify why Diana was hounded by the paparazzi too. Don't blame the public. Rupert Murdoch & co decide what goes in our papers, and didn't report on Charles's affair - despite being in the public interest - for years.

Diana used the press, she called them and told the where she'd be. Her speeches used to be written by a Daily Mail hack ffs.

Charles' affair wasn't reported on because it would have been absolute suicide for any of the press to have alleged it without solid proof.

Morton was working with Diana and he broke the story. There was nothing the royals could do about it because they suspected she was involved and didn't want to stir that hornet's nest.

Funny how it is always the women in the RF that get the most vitriol aimed at them

Edward VII, Prince Philip, and Andrew have all faced salacious rumour and criticism.

Charles had such bad press from the 80s to about 2005 that nobody thought he'd ever be king.

I think MM had come in very handy as a distraction from PW (didn’t fall far from the tree) and PA the dirty old git.

I think the bad press the male RF members have had has been totally justified. They have not had bad press for being confident, or knowing what they want, or what they wear.
Prince Philip has had bad press for his racism, although it was frequently described as gaffes.
Prince Charles had bad press for his affair and for using his royal position to try and influence people in Government on matters of policy.
Andrew had bad press for being a suspected sex offender.

When we get tabloids criticising Charles or William for the suit they wear, or for being too confident, then I will believe there is no sexism motivating the reporting.

And anyone who though Charles would not be King because of some stories in the tabloid, does not understand the hereditary nature of the RF. He was always going to become King.

So zebra came onto a thread basically bashing William, in order to defend M&H even tho no one's really interested.

Of course

If we are going to go down that line of reasoning then surely you would not have an affair in the first place? Except how his own mum felt about her treatment appears not to have stopped William doing the same.

But I don't think he did have an affair...

That's why, like other posters, I was pointing out that Rose Hanbury appeared to be invited to Kate's birthday celebrations. Which would be bloody odd if her husband was having an affair with her.

I don't think it is odd at all from watching The Crown. The Crown comes first and many members of the RF have been made to do things they don't want to for appearance sake.
I think he did have an affair.

It could be seen as self absorbed, but she has said that life is about 'thriving, not surviving' even though many people's only real option is to try to survive.
Lizzzar

You know that's the title of a book and a sort of a self help movement, right?

She didn't make it up to taunt people with. It's quite an American approach to improvement of an individual's situation, sadly misunderstood by the British public it seems.

So zebra came onto a thread basically bashing William

I've not said a word about William, except that it's pretty obvious William & Harry, who were once so obviously close, are now estranged. I never even said I knew why (I don't).

I quite like William too, as it goes. And Kate. I think Kate's probably an all right person - Meghan is just not prepared to be as "obedient" and biddable as her - and is striking out. Good luck to the both, I say. Can't be an easy path marrying into the royals.

I don't believe the PW story purely because he has always been well known to be completely anally retentive about his feelings and trusts almost nobody. He is a complete and utter control freak who guards his privacy obsessively and has few friends outside a group he's known from childhood and that group has never, ever leaked, He never lets anybody in. There's a reason it took him a decade to marry Kate. And that's it. I just can't see someone of his personality being able to let go enough to have an affair. And it would be unthinkable with the way he lives and the control he exerts that people who would leak would have got to know about the affair. Up until the last 18 months there's not ever been one peep in the press suggesting their staff or friends leaked or anything was amiss. So the timing of apparent leaks beginning around the the time MM arrived is...interesting.

I watched the ITV documentary tonight. One of the things that struck me most about it was regarding the Australia tour. All the reporters said they were miserable and unhappy, their staff were stressed and having great difficulty and four of them residents when they returned. None had been working for her for longer than 6 months. It struck me because exactly the same thing happened early in Diana's marriage, loads of the Wales's staff quit. They dismissed it at the time as a normal thing to happen after a marriage as things changed. Now I wouldn't say I know what caused MM's staff to quit, but we do know now that the reason Diana's staff quit in the early days was because she was a hugely difficult and unpredictable person to work for who treated most of her staff incredibly badly and was prone to mood swings for no apparent reason and made the lives of her staff incredibly difficult. I do wonder if history is repeating itself.

Yes perhaps Meghan is difficult to work for, or perhaps Harry is, or perhaps the staff member who manages those staff is difficult to work for. None of us know.
Still does not mean that the tabloid vitriol is justified or that William did not have a affair or that Andrew is not a suspected sex offender.

Two adults and a small child wan't to move away, It so should be possible, but there are scores,maybe hundreds of palace people, all having to debate on the issue of their move, and life. The show must go on, as they say.

I saw a gif of Kate shrugging William off when he touched her shoulder and him grimacing. It looked very reminiscent of late 80's Charles and Diana.

And not even a pap video, but an in front of camera interview...

It's quite amusing that the posters claiming Meghan is XYZ and talking about her motivations and ambitions with the air of someone who knows her personally are the same posters who insist William couldn't possibly have had an affair and that's its all made up by the nasty tabloids. Yet everything those tabloids print about Meghan is to be believed?

You win this thread.

Rumours of William's affair with Rose Hanbury were widely reported worldwide, but suppressed in the UK media, supposedly by the RF.

The ONLY place I have ever read about this "affair" was on MN, so no, not widely reported worldwide.

Yabu - Harry has no one to blame for any of this, but himself. Not even Meghan. He's got a tongue in his head, he is Royal born and bred. He's responsible for his own actions.

Not William.

If they move and step back from their Royal duties, I'm all for respecting their decision and letting them live a quiet and, hopefully, happy life. I think they would have to give up their HRH's and public money though. You can't have it both ways.

I hope there is a happy outcome for everyone here. The RF can continue without Harry. If they step back, the media should completely leave them alone.

it did strike me when Harry talked of subcontious racism. because i just cant think what else fuels the hate people find on EVERY single thing she does! even the things they dismiss with others they will hate it if she does it.and i hear in people discussing her there is often this veiled words and all the time im thinking just say it just be racist because you can hear it in not hearing it if that makes sense.
the way some people are offended by someone in a job and you can gaurantee in the things they say this person will either be black or foreign. its this feeling of them automatically not liking or thinking them lesser than.
like the way katie hopskins posts of all the rapes done by muslim men.yet miss the fifty trillion done by white men in our country.and you just know what the fuckhead is trying to say/do.

Is it true that Rose Hanbury was at church last Sunday with William and Kate and the rest of the Royal family?
If that's so surely it rules out the rumours of an affair.

Is there any facility to delete threads so they don't show. Let me know because these Harry and Meghan threads are getting tedious.

I suspect the Prince Andrew thing has a lot to do with Harry and Meghans decision. They both seem to deeply care about children and the Royal family are covering up PA behaviour. It probably rocked them. How can you work with charities for abused children knowing that your own ‘employer’ is covering up this. Of course they want to leave. On top of that the British press have treated Megan appallingly. I actually read an article about how wonderful Kate is and how the author justifies calling her waity Katie etc but she’s now soooo much better than Megan. It screamed ‘we didn’t like Kate the pauper either but at least she’s not black”.

@kateandme - YYY to your post.