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William's alleged behaviour to blame?

297 replies

lemonoilburner · 12/01/2020 20:25

For Harry's departure , as suggested?
Is it all rumour or a genuine possibility in
Your opinion?
Surely William's personal life did not offend Harry so much that he would actually step back from his role and life in the UK?

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karencantobe · 13/01/2020 11:10

@cohle it has to be shown that my remarks are defamatory i.e. damaging to the reputation of William. A British newspaper publishing an article saying William had an affair, may meet this legal test. An individual talking about how they believe William had an affair on a chat forum is very unlikely to meet the legal standard of defamatory/
That is why MN allows these threads. And threads about people's views of celebrities and politicians. Such chat is commonplace on forums including on web sites of British newspapers.

That is why I can legally post what I have done, but British newspapers will not. Libel laws abroad are not as tough, which is why the foreign tabloids and magazines have already published this.

Helendee · 13/01/2020 11:11

How is Andrew a paedophile if he was (allegedly) sleeping with seventeen year olds?
It’s NOT paedophilia is it!

halcyondays · 13/01/2020 11:12

I’d be pretty happy with a personal fortune of “only £50 million”

It already doesn’t extend to the queen’s nephews and nieces. Margaret’s children never did royal duties or received any public money.
Neither do most of the queen’s grandchildren.

And Charles said years ago it would be slimmed down when he became king. Although this was when he imagined that Harry would still be on the scene to share some of the workload.

karencantobe · 13/01/2020 11:12

@LakieLady I think when you are both working full-time and taking care of children it is difficult to find time to see everyone you want to. So unsurprisingly if there are any difficulties with family you see them less. But if I could choose when I work, and neither William or Harry can be described as hard working royals, I would visit my brother a lot alone.

karencantobe · 13/01/2020 11:13

@Helendee It is allegedly coercion, which is rape.

crispysausagerolls · 13/01/2020 11:14

Yes - coercion, rape and exploitation.

But not fucking paedophilia.

Didkdt · 13/01/2020 11:18

@Helendee there are statutory rape descriptors in the USA that go beyond the simple age of consent that we have and one of them Is the age difference which I think in New York is an under 18 sleeping with someone over the age of 21.

NoCountry · 13/01/2020 11:20

Helendee didn't ask about rape/statutory rape. They asked why Andrew is constantly being labeled as a Paedophile.

Didkdt · 13/01/2020 11:24

Because it would fall under paedophile behaviour if she's under age for him

WeeSuperMario · 13/01/2020 11:25

The Royal family are a bunch of thick, inbred, talentless, no-mark tossers. Why you people have spent 10 pages debating about two strangers who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire and would murder your entire family just to preserve their power is beyond me.
Hope this helps.

Cohle · 13/01/2020 11:27

An individual talking about how they believe William had an affair on a chat forum is very unlikely to meet the legal standard of defamatory

That's just not true though. People can and have been prosecuted for remarks on chat forums.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/374299f0-295a-11e5-acfb-cbd2e1c81cca

It's obviously unlikely the royals will choose to pursue a case against you, but that doesn't mean what you've said isn't defamatory.

Lizzie0869 · 13/01/2020 11:29

And anyone who though Charles would not be King because of some stories in the tabloid, does not understand the hereditary nature of the RF. He was always going to become King.

Unless his mother the Queen outlives him, which isn't totally beyond the realms of possibility. The Queen Mum lived up to the age of 101 after all.

More likely is that he'll be like Edward V11, who was king for a very short time after his mother's very long reign.

I do agree that there has been as much bad press against Prince Charles as anyone in the RF. The bad press against MM isn't because of sexism, it's because of racism, which is really depressing. Sad

UYScuti · 13/01/2020 11:35

The royal firm is under attack from the modern world😲😲😲
times have changed and they are woefully out of touch but desperately trying to save face and convince us all that we should revere and admire them
🤣😅😅

WeeSuperMario · 13/01/2020 11:36

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karencantobe · 13/01/2020 11:36

@cohle have you actually read that article? Of course posting something that I assume is untrue such as that a named lawyer loses 80% of their cases is much more likely to meet the standards of libel. Depending on where it is posted it can mean that the lawyer loses work. Also posting untrue false reviews on trip advisor can meet the legal definition of libel.
It is naive to think posting on social media will never be libel. But that is not what I said. Saying William is rumoured to have an affair and that this has been widely reported in media abroad, does not meet the legal definition of libel.

UYScuti · 13/01/2020 11:42

We've all seen Andy the halfwit going on television, believing he could make that fly, I'd like to compare him to Tim nice but dim but there's nothing nice about him.
That fool really did believe that if he just put his version of events out there the adoring public would defer to him because of his status.
The public are too sophisticated to fall for this crap, we cannot defer to these idiots.

WeeSuperMario · 13/01/2020 11:43

'The public are too sophisticated to fall for this crap, we cannot defer to these idiots.'

Unfortunately they're not. Loads of people in this country are royalists. I'd call them imbeciles but that's far too kind a word. Sheep.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 13/01/2020 11:45

This board is an embarrassment sometimes. What a lot of gossipy, mean-minded dolts we all sound, speculating on multiple threads, wetting ourselves for a response. Ugh.

Cohle · 13/01/2020 11:47

Yes of course I have, and I don't think you have the grasp on libel law that you think you do.

For a statement to be defamatory it has to cause the individual in question loss in their trade or profession, or cause a reasonable person to think worse of him. Like for example accusing the future head of the Church of England of being an adulterer Hmm.

Repeating something that has been reported elsewhere can absolutely be defamatory. Or else all defamation laws could be circumvented by merely adding "I heard that..." before whatever unsubstantiated nonsense you fancied.

Inherdefence · 13/01/2020 11:47

Why does anyone need to be ‘blamed’ for two adults deciding they don’t want to live like the rest of their family? What Harry and Meghan are doing is perfectly normal, families fall out, argue and make up all the time. Lots of people emigrate and change careers. It’s no big deal. What is abnormal is two adults being expected to get permission from other family members to make the changes they want in their life.

WeeSuperMario · 13/01/2020 11:48

'Like for example accusing the future head of the Church of England of being an adulterer '
What if he genuinely is an adulterer though?

halcyondays · 13/01/2020 11:49

But if they’re royalists, they tend to want the royals to actually do their royal duties. Most people are happy enough for them to receive public money but only if they’re actually doing something.

The woman who owns the world’s largest collection of royal memorabilia is apparently very unimpressed by the whole thing.

WeeSuperMario · 13/01/2020 11:49

'Why does anyone need to be ‘blamed’ for two adults deciding they don’t want to live like the rest of their family? What Harry and Meghan are doing is perfectly normal, families fall out, argue and make up all the time. Lots of people emigrate and change careers. It’s no big deal. What is abnormal is two adults being expected to get permission from other family members to make the changes they want in their life.'

Yet the parasites still want all the perks of royalty and expect us to fund their security. Like I have said many times, you have to be clinically insane or have Stockholm Syndrome to be a boot-licking royalist.

JinglingHellsBells · 13/01/2020 11:49

@WeeSuperMario Actually, you know what? I disagree with you. Baaa baaa baaa

Yes, as a sheep I think that the Royals are preferable to a Republic.
Can you imagine President Blair back in the day or President Corbyn?

At least the Royals have survived for almost 1000 years.

It's our heritage and I'm in favour of it.

You are entitled yo your view but you are coming over as a bit deranged with your anger.

karencantobe · 13/01/2020 11:50

@cohle Yes I know reputation matters. I posted that in my original post. You are straw manning. I explained exactly what libel law says in my original post and when reporting on the RF may meet libel laws and when it would not.
Are you trying to frighten people out of posting here?

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