William's alleged behaviour to blame?

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For Harry's departure , as suggested?
Is it all rumour or a genuine possibility in
Your opinion?
Surely William's personal life did not offend Harry so much that he would actually step back from his role and life in the UK?

Lizzie, the is a half formed thought, but I actually think it is classism. A lot of prejudice in Britain, even what sometimes looks like racism, is classism. In Meghan's case I think it is classism combined with anti-Americanism, which I supposes is nationality-ism. Add on top of that the fact that, for hardcore royal fans no-one was every going to be good enough for 'Our Harry' and you realise that anyone was going to take some stick for a few years, until they proved themselves by doing their duty and adhering to the expected norms of royalty. After that, all the advantaged they bring for having a background would be praised. Getting these people, and the tabloids that feed them to accept Harry's wife was always going to be a marathon, not a sprint.

@WeeSuperMario for someone who has no faith or interest in the Royals, you are investing a lot of your day in them!

Most kings and queens throughout history have a pretty chequered love life. At least now we have stopped beheading their wives when they were tired of them.

It's utterly pointless discussing who they have or have not slept with. All the stuff about William is tittle tattle and with no foundation at all. It's Daily Mail gossip.

That should read: a different background

'' Actually, you know what? I disagree with you. Baaa baaa baaa

Yes, as a sheep I think that the Royals are preferable to a Republic.
Can you imagine President Blair back in the day or President Corbyn?

At least the Royals have survived for almost 1000 years.

It's our heritage and I'm in favour of it.

You are entitled yo your view but you are coming over as a bit deranged with your anger.'

You sound like the typical propaganda fed sheep.

First of all, Blair and Corbyn wouldn't be the candidates, we could have candidates from anywhere, to that is an ill-thought out straw man.

Royals have survived 1000 years and have heritage? Tradition holds countries back, and as for what they did 1000 years ago; their ancestors murdered yours and mine yet you praise them for it lol. Empire was out 'history and tradition; as well and it was evil and was binned off too.

The Royals are at the apex of the class system which destroys this country. There are people living on the streets and going to food bands while these parasites and their hangers=on live in luxury, yet you seem happy about it. Let me guess, you vote Brexit and Tory as well?

I bet you call out other people for being racist yet when Phillip says stuff like that it's just a jolly old jape eh? Why would you suck up to a talentless family who are only where they are because of hereditary privilege. Are you insane? I mean they do great damage to this country, but I suppose to a shallow female like yourself that's fine because, awww, doesn't Kate look nice in her wedding dress? Lemming.

And thanks for telling me I am entitled to my opinion.

If, as has been suggested, Meghan wouldn't wish to be associated with Prince Andrew ( understandable), surely her support and admiration for the Clintons and their 'foundation' , would be hypocritical given their well known association with Epstein. Sadly, she's giving the impression that she would sell her own grandmother (and literally here, her husbands 93year old grandmother) for her own personal advancement. Surely a genuinely strong woman would have stayed in the UK to support her husband through the shitstorm that they have created. I would have liked to have seen the RF insisting that she return to the UK with the baby, before agreeing to any meetings or negotiation whatsoever. Her presence should have been mandatory for todays' meeting at Sandringham, by scarpering back to Canada she's shown that she didn't have the balls to put her money where her mouth is and defend their stance as a couple.

I think it's an intentional distraction from Prince Andrew.

@JinglingHellsBells Then why if it is only the Daily Mail making it up, has William's affair been widely reported by the foreign press?

Can you imagine President Blair back in the day or President Corbyn?

Laziest argument EVER.

Honestly, engage a few brain cells. Look at the Irish model and the type of people they elect.

It strikes me that in trying to avoid history repeating (with regard to Diana), Harry is in danger of repeating history. Cutting ties with the RF, going off to do his own thing, seeking publicity when it suits him and thinking his family will somehow be better protected abroad. I do feel sorry for him, previous girlfriends refused his proposals because they knew what they would be getting into, as an American MM had literally no clue - she wrongly assumed a bit of Hollywood celebrity was training enough. Prince William’s advice not to marry in haste was spot on. Is it really surprising that cutting ribbons at hospitals in rainy Blighty, living in isolation in Windsor Great Park and knowing you’ll always play second fiddle (and then third and then fourth), won’t ever be able to speak your mind even though you think you have a lot to say while all your celebrity friends live across the pond wasn’t quite as thrilling as Meghan had imagined it might be. H and M are facing the same problem as any couple who hail from different continents - the realisation that one of them will always be living away from home.

'Can you imagine President Blair back in the day or President Corbyn?

Laziest argument EVER.

Honestly, engage a few brain cells. Look at the Irish model and the type of people they elect.'

I told her that as well. Honestly, these are the type of thickos who are royalists. They haven't got a clue about politics. My mum is the same; loved the royals and Britain because of the football team she supports, hates the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon based on nothing more than her prejudice while liking the likes of Trump and Johnson. Right-wing loons.

Like for example accusing the future head of the Church of England of being an adulterer '
What if he genuinely is an adulterer though?
The future head of the Church of England will be an adulterer though. That ship has sailed well and truly!

No, it's got nothing to do with William - it's all Harry. Harry is on the journey to blameville though and will never admit that they (H&M) have made crap decisions and own them.

He/they will definitely do another whinging tell-all interview and they still won't come off well. They still won't think it's their fault either. They will always blame someone else and never take responsibility for their own actions.

I also don't understand all the fuss over this. Meetings and summits? Really? What is there to discuss? Harry is way down the pecking order. If he wants to live overseas most of the time and earn his own money (even if that is down to who he is) good luck to him.

The only thing I would say is that the UK taxpayer (and indeed the Canadian ones) shouldn't be funding their security. If they feel they need it, they should pay for it. Or Charles can, as dad and grandad.

No, it's got nothing to do with William

How the hell do you know?

Are you best friends with them or something?

@BlaueLagune There are actually a lot of things to be decided.
When Harry and Meghan live in Canada they have said they want to work. So what kind of work would be okay? Some kinds of work could bring the RF into disrepute.
They will need security. The Queen won't want Harry killed by terrorists. But who pays for their security?

Do they come back to Britain for any official events? Is it better for the RF reputation to have them there showing solidarity, or better for them to stay away?
Do they keep their official titles? If not are they plain Mr and Mrs or are they given another title?

None of this matters to most of the British people, but it is about avoiding possible future issues. For example if they totally cut them off would Harry and Meghan decide fuck it, we will make money appearing at events as member of the RF - highest bidder wins. Or would they skimp on security and become a target for terrorists? r would they write a book about their experiences? Or would their lack of appearance at any official events be constantly spinned by the press as the Queen and Philip snubbing their own grandson and great grandchildren?

I imagine it is part of it. It does seem that there has been a rift between them for quite a while now.

Yes, as a sheep I think that the Royals are preferable to a Republic.
Can you imagine President Blair back in the day or President Corbyn?

God Almighty, this again.

Neither Blair no Corbyn nor, for that matter, the current buffoon would seek to become president, and nor would any other career politician, because it would be a role with no political power, limited to ribbon-cutting and hosting state visits, on an upper civil servant's salary with use of a house, car, security etc thrown in for the term. There is no reason whatsoever to elect a politician. It's not a political role!

As @LawrieMarlow said look at the last few Irish presidential elections, not just at the candidates, but the people who were proposed and dropped out earlier in the process -- charity workers, journalists, academics, lawyers. All you have to be in Ireland is a citizen of over 35 and to be proposed by either a certain number of local authorities or by a certain number of members of the Oireachtas.

And the key thing is that you elect them by a democratic vote don't like a candidate? Don't vote for them! and for a finite period, after which you elect someone else. Rather than the current nonsense, that the monarchy descends by bloodline, regardless of suitability, so you just get whoever is next in line, be they workshy, dim-witted, given to sex with under-age girls and hanging out with paedophiles, or an actual Nazi.

Are you trying to frighten people out of posting here?

Yes it's actually an elaborate plot to shut down MN

As I've already said, the chances the royals would pursue libel cases against individual members of the public is virtually non-existent.

That doesn't mean accusing someone of adultery on mumsnet with no evidence isn't defamatory.

The amount of legal misinformation that gets trotted out on mumsnet is depressing and I worry that someone will get themselves into real trouble.

I keep thinking how profoundly unhealthy having a royal family is. Many people quite rightly don't want their children to model or act or have unsupervised social media accounts because we recognise the huge harm that can befall children when they get caught up in all those things. And yet we're happy for people like William and Harry's children to be caught up in this massively odd dynamic where they don't have true privacy, their lives aren't their own and the older they get, the more public discussion and criticism there is about every aspect of their lives. Would I have wanted photographs of my entire childhood to be out in the public domain? God no, I value my privacy. I was a shy child who was easily embarrassed.

How William and Harry are at all well-adjusted and sane is a miracle. No child should have their fate decided for them from birth. What if William had secretly longed to be a carpenter or a writer or go and live in the middle of nowhere and bum about in Bali for a few years whilst finding himself? And I can't even begin to imagine having everyone speculating about one's husband's affairs so publicly. Kate must have cried so many tears about the gossip even if none of it is true. It must feel deeply humiliating. The money and privilege isn't worth it. Lots of people have those things without all the negative rubbish that comes with being royal. Even with Kate and Megan, people could say they chose this but how on earth can you predict how difficult something like being a royal will be?

@lesleyw1953 You know the couple personally? Wow you must be able to get all the inside scoop?

No, thought now. Get a grip

Absolutely no one, other than the Royal Family know the truth so don't waste your time with assumptions.

@cohle Don't worry about me, I do understand the libel laws. And I assume MN do too.

Not to mention the terror threat and knowing your child might be targeted at any time. You can't protect them the whole time. Like hell would I want my child to have that hanging over their heads.

Because if you understand the libel laws you will know that publishers also carry a legal responsibility, and here MN are the publisher.

I keep thinking how profoundly unhealthy having a royal family is.

This has been my biggest takeout too.

For everyone involved. It seems to bring out the worst in everyone.