Harry and Meghan Resigning Act Three

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...Scene One?

I think we probably do need a third thread.

I expect William's 'bullying' is simply that he didn't fawn over her and was a bit cynical. I inwardly groan and get a bit of secondhand embarrassment when I hear her speaking so it doesn't surprise me if those who follow the 'never complain, never explain' rule also find it a bit much.

I wasn't sure about her from the start because I looked at the Tig and found it intensely irritating. Can't stand insta quotes and sexy yoga poses. I didn't like the way she wrote. I feel the same way about a lot of famous people.

And yes to this. I feel the same about the Goop or whatever it's called but finding Gwyneth annoying is fine, feeling the same way about Meghan makes me racist

I can’t believe anyone wants to listen to what Samantha Markle has to say. She’s a vicious unhinged vitriolic snake in the grass.
I just don’t believe a word about the affair business either. You only have to watch W and K together to see how in tune they are. You can’t fake that. The snatched shoulder thing is rubbish too.

I have relatives in Canada . It’s true they see themselves as very different from America and their politics are poles apart. I think they may stay there for a while and then move to LA. I cannot see Harry being happy in LA and what is he going to do with himself? Become a house husband ?
I think they’ll be divorced in a few years time and I feel very sorry for Harry. He’s been well and truly had.
I don’t think anyone has an issue with them leaving and living a different life. I certainly don’t, I wish them well. However they cannot be semi Royal with money from the Duchy Estates or keep their royal titles to trade off. Let them truly be independent. They have enough money to live off for some time if they live modestly. They can both retrain and earn for themselves.
I don’t however think for a minute she wants a quiet life. She wants fame and adulation and lots and lots of attention. He genuinely wants to do good and his charities will suffer.
The whole thing is an utter tragedy.
Their protection should be self funded and not come from the public purse.

yet be able to duck out of opening a community centre in Hull in February?

Someone said in the last thread that she's only ever done one engagement outside of London!

It's unfortunate if there was a hostile environment created from the kick off for Harry's wife. If there is any truth to this, it reflects poorly on Prince William. The jealousy and internecine squabbling which seems at the heart of this does not reflect well on the ability of Prince Charles to prevent a situation escalating out of control. It seems the rumours about the breakdown of the sibling relationship has some truth.

We know Prince Charles pretty well and we know Princess Anne too, but see her less. We don't know the cambridges or sussexes except what we have been told by their father / aunt and wider circle.

W&K are very much in love. Rose is indeed rumoured to have cheated but not with W. I think people are just assuming he was one of them because she's in their circle.

MM is not at all liked.

She's never been, nor I expect wanted to be, a hard working Royal. Fame and glamour all the way. I suspect she didn't understand being criticised for the baby shower, in the States I expect it would have been viewed as amazing, wonderful, wish I could have that.

The 'tell all' interview wont happen. I don't believe there's been any ultimatum given. For a couple of reasons tbh, but not least because i don't think Harry would want to hurt and embarrass his father and grandmother deliberately.

However if it were true and it was going down like that i'd love to see HM call their bluff and say ''Orf you go and spill the beans to one's hearts content, but you're not getting a penny more out of the firm''

PC has probably had his head in the sand , focusing on himself and his own image. He is very aware that he will soon be King and his Duchy programme was just a huge exercise in self promotion.
I don’t think personal relationships are his forte at all. He does seem to have tried very hard to welcome Meghan into the family and make her mother feel welcome too. I think Meghan has distanced herself from him as time has gone on, despite all his efforts. There was a story about him inviting her to an art exhibition or something, and she just didn’t show up. I think she decided fairly early on she wanted out and stopped trying some time ago.

They do the boring bits and shakes the hands of the lesser mortals and then go home to live a life pretty much out of the public eye.
They weathered all the sly digs about him being the gay prince, marrying for a beard and just carried on with a quiet dignity living their life, raising their family and serving the royal family.

It don’t think Harry & Meghan would want Edward & Sophie’s role. They do way more than people realise as they are the British RF’s reps at all the weddings in other royal families abroad. They are handsomely rewarded for being the ones that spend many hours away from their kids at boring events held in languages they don’t understand

That compromise is what is missing. You can’t have it all your own way. There’s always a trade off and they don’t seem to have realised that

Did she ever actually want in?

Or did she just want the title?

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Any tell all/Oprah would make them both look like bell ends, very vulgar and manipulative.

There’s no way MM will be in on this meeting via the phone, anyone could be listening in and recording. Like the Queen would be that daft.

No way MM wants a life like Edward & Sophie or others. If she found life at Frogmore boring even in the first flush of marriage there’s no way she’d go for that kind of existence long term. Harry may be bending over backwards to keep his wife happy but their experience, attitudes and treatment of family couldn’t be more different, she simply won’t understand the strength of those bonds or how important his family are to him. I think Harry is fucked either way TBH. The best outcome would be to bring Archie home to raise him privately, do what he really wants to do (Africa) while she gets on with trying to become a global sleb billionaire under her own steam (good luck with that).

If my opinion counted at all, I’d demote their Sussex title to something more minor in line with stepping back to a private life, take them at their word. I’d also grab all the associated web addresses and banjax the plans to monetise the ‘SussexRoyal’ brand. The RF don’t cash in, Meghan’s been part of it for less than 2 years why should she get to change all that? If they truly want to step back, they won’t mind that at all will they?

Archie is a British citizen but not Canadian, can they just keep him there? Especially when its clearly a springboard to a move to the US?

Eight months into being a mother I was not necessarily thinking clearly about my future plans.

Me neither! I would not have made good long term decisions. This is where it helps to have a supportive family around, people who will be kind but straight talking with you.

Strikes me that the major asset Kate brings to the royal family is the advantage of having been brought up in a relatively normal, close knit, supportive family and knowing how to behave in a normal, loving, supportive way to others.

Being brutal, many relationships founder in the first three years or so, as the differences and challenges start to emerge. This one is no different. Harry seems to be in the phase of doing anything he can to appease his wife but sooner or later that will become too exhausting for him. If they weren't in the public eye and under media spotlight there is still no guarantee they would stay the course.

Very sad for him though that they have to go through this in full public glare.

I didn't know they were pals with Tom Bradbury. Now it makes sense when he was reporting on the news that they wanted to stop being senior royals. He was so sombre and spoke like it was the end of the world. Pathetic really. A bit like this thread.

trying to be careful as I don't want to out ourselves.

Anne (as we all know) has a great way of saying things without actually saying it.

eg she said to my DF about Meghan "she has a great deal to say on many issues"

translation - gobby and opinionated.

Some may misinterpret this as Anne being nice about Meghan. But dad knows Anne. I wouldn't say they are besties but he has met her on enough occasions to be able to interpret her meaning.

They spent the Christmas before last with the Queen and it was reported she kept an eye on them all to make sure they all got on!the tensions were there from the start it seems. When you think about it Kate and William are poles apart from most people let alone some one like Meghan. Maybe there were a bit reluctant to embrace all this at first ; a bit wary. I'm wary with new people at times as well. Most people are.
They maybe didn't get on with her as much ; she didn't know any of their friends or family and the whole engagement and marriage was very quick , so not much time to get to know people or much common ground to work with.
Meghan clearly knows her own mind , this sometimes can come across as a bit arrogant , even if she isn't. Maybe none of them made any effort at all! It's all speculation but they are only human at the end of the day and I know people who are bullied by family and some have gone 'no contact ' too.
I wish I could have done with my in laws but I soldiered on there ; some people have more of a backbone than I have and don't worry what people think either.

If there is any truth to the latest reports, PH and his wife encountered hostility, not a loving and supportive environment. If true, it reflects poorly on Prince William and Prince Charles, who should have shut down sibling rivalry before it escalated beyond the point of no return.

She is dangerous as she has nothing to lose. Harry is the one who will lose in this. Meghan possibly doesn’t see family estrangement as unusual, being estranged from virtually her entire family, spending much of her life with her Dad when her Mum was somewhere else -nobody seems to know why her Mother wasn’t co-parenting.
Meghan has much to gain financially and in terms of celebrity, she does hold a lot of cards. Harry may well damage his family relationships irreparably though, at a time when the Queen and PP are so elderly, that is incredibly sad.
Also sad that there is a tiny baby boy in the middle of this mess and conflict.

I think Meghan has done more than one engagement outside of London - she came to Bristol in the snow last year, think that may have been the infamous banana engagement. And to be fair it did raise the profile of that charity a lot.

I wonder how their UK charities are feeling, not sure they will want that royal patronage if they are not going to be around much.

Annes meaning is plain to anyone I think and not flattering to MM

As@Butterymuffin says, Kate’s asset is her family and Harry’s statement about giving Meghan the family she never had is actually far more accurate in relation to the middletons and William (they appear to be a truly family oriented bunch - tho convenient their offspring have produced families with eg a hotel in st Barths to lay happy families in!)

Are you all in a froth waiting with baited breath.. What are the Palace going to say about the split.... I can hardly wait for the umpteen MN threads about it, with all the experts on the royal family on here... Why doesn't the Queen just start a thread for advice on mn, everyone here's an expert and insider, saves her getting charly and wills over, just start a thread here and all the experts pile in..

We presume Archie will ultimately get an American passport. He will have dual nationality.

I imagine that will give him plenty of options.

I laughed about Meghan "dialling in". You may as well broadcast the meeting to a worldwide audience! What's the point of having a top secret meeting and then letting someone be on the phone with no idea who else is in the room/on other phones?

I don't think H&M will divorce. Where would the SussexRoyal brand be with the royal bit missing? Meghan and team will have learnt from the Sarah Ferguson debacle: she won't want to be racketing round selling diet plans and crockery on QVC. Harry staying on board is vitally important to the plan.

I don't believe we'll be seeing Harry and Meghan split (at this point). This is the time they'll be leaning most heavily on each other. I think they'll have this meeting today, all we'll hear that it's all been worked out and the Queen wishes them well, Harry will jet off back to Canada later tonight and then it'll all go quiet for a bit while she bangs away at the keyboard making her silly frilly website spew out amazing Meghany wonderfulness.

IF there's trouble ahead it will come more slowly and will be because they want fundamentally different things out of life. And Archie's life.

In fairness, everyone said that Charles liked Meghan and enjoyed her conversation as it was intelligent.

And everyone seemed to like Doria.

So I don't think she has any hostility from Charles, quite the opposite.

And of course he's been bankrolling them to the tune of 2.7 million a year.

I can't see Charles as being the problem tbh.