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AIBU to get DS a tattoo for 16th Birthday

159 replies

catsandwine · 12/01/2020 00:50

Not just any tattoo. A Manchester bee.
DS was at the Manchester Arena 22.05.17 as a young teen.
She has suffered with PTSD following this and a number of associated effects, including on grades due to time off.
Despite being in my late twenties I’ve never felt compelled to tattoo my body but I certainly consider this worthy.
AIBU to get her this for her birthday?
If I, as an indirect victim, feel no differently almost three years later, I sincerely doubt she will ever feel differently.
I will also have the tattoo in solidarity (indirect but heartbroken nonetheless) and make a donation to the fund equal to the tattoo cost. I’m thinking just above my right elbow and will restrict the location of hers to one that won’t cause issues in a professional environment (she wants to be a teacher, I am and always will be, office based).
I should say I will ensure it is a reputable tattoo artist. She looks a lot older than she is, but if challenged I will have a suitable (illegitimate) ID available.
Part of me thinks that I just want to get a gift that she will appreciate forever, but the other part of me thinks that this is the right time as she is developing her independence and she has had enough time to consider.
She already has a life plan and a boyfriend etc (?precociousness associated with trauma).
If IABU due to the illegitimate ID, please let me know that this is the reason. The means are a different issue for me. I would always ensure there were zero repercussions on the establishment and owner of the ID.

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WireBrushAndDettolMaam · 12/01/2020 12:44

Also agree with all the posters who are saying this could set back her recover, the tribe stuff and being stuck with a permanent reminder of an horrific event, it doesn’t define her etc.

I have a friend here in NI whose DD was online chatting to a friend who was at the concert, wasn’t hurt but obviously affected. Friends DD (who lives in another country- has ever been to England- isn’t an Ariana grande fan- and only chatted to the girl who was there for a few weeks- in fact she doesn’t even have any proof the girl was even there) has used this trauma as an excuse not to go to school ever since and behave very badly. Some people will latch on to anything to get a bit of attention.

ToastyFingers · 12/01/2020 12:47

I don't have a problem with underage tattoos as such, but a reputable studio will only accept passport/driving licence as ID and one that doesn't ask or accepts an unnoficial form of ID isn't one I'd visit.

You want your tattoo artist to be clean, well skilled and passionate, with years of experience behind them. No reputable artist would risk their livelihood for half-hours work on someone possibly underage.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 12/01/2020 12:50

She's too young to decide for herself right now. She suffers from PTSD because of it. Is having a symbol permanently etched on her skin really advisable at such a young age? When she's still dealing with it all. She can still decide in 2 years or 5 years or 15 years if she wishes to get it done. It doesn't have to be now.

The fact that you are considering bringing her illegally and lying to your parents about it show that neither you or she are mature enough to make this decision right now.

It's a permanent mark. If it's going to be there forever, what's the harm in waiting until she (as a mature adult) is definite enough to make that decision.

BeUpStanding · 12/01/2020 13:05

Oh my god that is a TERRIBLE idea! Shock

Take her on an exciting adventure instead. Give her great memories and build up her confidence. Go to a foreign city for a weekend, or climb up a UK mountain, or go kayaking, or visit the big London museums, or go to a theme park or do ANYTHING that is fun and a bit challenging or different.

Do not pay for her to illegally have a permanent mark of a traumatic event. Help her to look forwards, not backwards.

needanewnamechange · 12/01/2020 13:08

I don't understand it's illegal. You have to be 18 !!
If she wants one in 2 years then fine but it's a stupid thread whatever your opinion on tattoos because she's not old enough.

Chottie · 12/01/2020 13:11

No. 16 is still very young and having tattoos lasered off is painful and expensive.

SoupDragon · 12/01/2020 13:13

She isn't doing it!! She said this at 1:27 this morning!

WireBrushAndDettolMaam · 12/01/2020 13:17

Take her on an exciting adventure instead. Give her great memories and build up her confidence. Go to a foreign city for a weekend, or climb up a UK mountain, or go kayaking, or visit the big London museums, or go to a theme park or do ANYTHING that is fun and a bit challenging or different.

This^ you’d be doing her a far better service by helping her create new happy memories than by permanently keeping her upset by one traumatic one.

NC4Now · 12/01/2020 13:23

No for all the reasons given.
You could get her a piece of jewellery instead, say a Mcr bee necklace. There’s plenty around.

www.etsy.com/uk/listing/274377306/manchester-worker-bee-necklace-in

MulticolourMophead · 12/01/2020 13:24

apparently the tattoo so many got was actually a type of fly

The actual Manchester bee design does class as a fly as it has one set of wings instead of two. The bee is on the coat of arms for Manchester, and while I think the arms have been updated to show two sets of wings, you will see the bee with one set of wings all over Manchester on older buildings, etc. People weren't trying to be anatomically accurate, they were copying the symbol that represents Manchester.

motherheroic · 12/01/2020 13:49

Best off to wait the couple of years. That way she will will have time to go ahead and think about it.

When I was 16 I was adamant about getting a musical note tattoo. My mom said if I still wanted it at 18 then she would take me. I didn't get my first tattoo until I was 24. Good thing too because that musical note would have been absolutely naff.

yogo · 12/01/2020 19:12

To those asking. No I didn't use fake ID to try and get them to agree to tattoo my DD when she was 16, but thanks for judging.

I didn't know she needed to be 18 and we were honest with all of them.

Her BF died in her arms, despite her repeated attempts to save her and she wanted the tattoo. As I said it's tiny and is something that meant a lot to her and her bf.

I couldn't give a fuck if anyone agrees but she ended up having it on her 18th birthday and loves it.

1stmonkey · 12/01/2020 19:33

Tattooing is a fashion which will die out eventually (hopefully).

Hahahahahaha!!! Tattooing has been around since 3370BC. You might be waiting a while if you're hoping for it to "die out".

caketiger · 12/01/2020 19:41

I'm tattooed and love the manchester bee. But 16 is still too young. The age limit is 18 for a reason. It won't hurt her to wait.

NeighbourProblems · 12/01/2020 20:01

You might be waiting a while if you're hoping for it to "die out".

I don't think she means tattooing but the fashion, let's face it, northhollow people seem to tattoo than not, now than ever before!

FizzyIce · 12/01/2020 20:05

If her feelings aren’t going to change then waiting another 2 years won’t make any difference.
Don’t do it

Sickandscared · 12/01/2020 22:08

No way. She's too young.

I have tattoos. They need careful consideration.

MulticolourMophead · 12/01/2020 22:15

My tattooist is booked solid, and I've been waiting a while. Can't see the fashion dying out soon.

SageRosemary · 12/01/2020 22:56

Illegal and immoral.

Even if she was 18 you should not be pressurising her to get a tattoo.

You don't have it within your gift to ensure "zero repercussions on the establishment and owner of the ID". That would be a decision for the CPS. I'm sure that if they were prosecuted it would follow that you could be prosecuted and face consequences also - a prison sentence could take away your nice office job.

Procuring an illegal ID for a minor would mean supporting criminality in your local area - and what if your sister uses the ID to buy alcohol or knives, you would be opening a huge can of worms.

Immoral, immoral immoral - she is a child

Dixiegirl77 · 12/01/2020 23:11

As everyone else has stated, legal age is 18.
Have know people who had tatts done under 18 and regretted later,also knew someone who was doing tattoos in her home and happily tattooed kids under age,pointed out to her she could get in to a lot of trouble and told me it was ok because the parents were with them,erm no it's still illegal 🤦‍♀️
Wait till she is 18 and if still wants one then get it done,I have a few myself,I love tattoos! But please wait.

Sugarhouse · 12/01/2020 23:41

No make her wait until at least 18. When I was 16 I wanted a few tattoos I thank god I didn’t get them now as I’m 30 now and realised a long time ago that actually I never want any tattoos. She may not change her mind especially due to the symbolism but give her time to be sure.

fairynick · 12/01/2020 23:46

If she wants it that bad she will probs get it anyway, I’d rather go with her to a reputable tattooist.

Dita73 · 13/01/2020 02:04

No! Not only illegal but a really naff idea

trixiebelden77 · 13/01/2020 02:23

What does her psychologist think about carrying a permanent reminder on her body in the context of PTSD?

Ithinkitcouldbeme · 13/01/2020 04:29

Your heart is in the right place but for many reasons it’s not a good time right now. She only has to wait a couple of years.
What about a beautiful piece of bee jewellery instead for now? You could even have something designed, maybe have a look on Etsy?