Bored of teacher friend banging on about how hard her job is

[JustACog]

Friend's a teacher and I'm tired of the chat about how her job is harder/longer/more stressful than everyone else's.

Almost every conversion now gets round to her moaning about how much she's overworked how much time she spends marking or planning. I do believe there is a lot of work involved in teaching and it's not a job I could do but I'm fed up of it being laid on thick. Fed up of the martyrdom around the sacrifice she's making for the children

CF said to me that I'm lucky to have my job (nurse full time shifts in A&E) as I just get to switch off when I leave and she's on the job from dawn to dusk.

AIBU to call her out on this, really feeling like I'd like to ask her what she really thinks other people do that's so much easier than teaching.

teachers do seem to moan more and I think it’s because they haven’t ever worked outside an educational institution.

What, none of them?!

Well that’s what my sister says. All of her colleagues went straight from education to teaching.

LolaSmiles
(strike action) - Based on a contract stipulating 1,265 hours of directed time over 190 days term time + 5 days inset. It's a term time only contract.

You have forgotten about 'undirected time':

Supreme Court judgment 2017 - sixth form college tutors (Red Book) successfully argued that their strike pay should be deducted as per teachers (Burgundy Book):

"teachers must work up to 195 days a year as “directed time”, which includes teaching and other duties, as well as an unspecified amount of “undirected time”, which includes marking, writing reports and other duties.The teachers regularly performed undirected duties outside of normal term-time hours (during evenings, weekends and annual leave)."

"The teachers relied on the Apportionment Act 1870 to argue that their annual salary accrued from day to day and must be apportioned accordingly, unless expressly stipulated otherwise."

"The Supreme Court upheld the teachers’ appeal, deciding that annual salary accrues at an equal daily rate over the calendar year unless expressly provided otherwise"... "This means that there is now a clear authority that Sixth Form Colleges should deduct pay at a rate of 1/365th of a teacher’s salary for each day on strike, as is the case for school teachers governed by the Burgundy book."

ellint.net/news/sector/cross-border-hr-policies/uk-teachers-strike/

Well that’s what my sister says

Oh, well- it MUST be true then .

Clav - what do you do for a living?

I think all jobs caring for other people are overworked and underpaid. I think they take advantage of the caring nature of the people who do these roles and don’t want to let their clients down - be they old, young, unwell etc.

Think how much can be earned in roles that are all to do with money and power in comparison.

Tumble it’s because those jobs are mainly done by women.

Who cares if nurses or teachers are a bunch of snowflakes who can’t take the pressure? Objectively speaking - if you care about patients having good care or kids having a good education, we should make the working conditions and/or better so we don’t have so many vacancies?

And/or pay better - that should say

Clav - what do you do for a living?

sahm with an LLB (long time ago - very rusty) - dh very senior position in education.

Yet for supply teaching for those under the burgundy book, the daily rate is worked out based on the STPCD stating that a full working year is 195 days.

The working year is term time only.

For those with an annual salary it is split over the year, because, well, it's an annual salary.

Wasn't Clav's DH a HT of a school and he had so much power he could just get rid of teachers and not have to worry about it being legal?

I'm feeling a bit left out that no one in my school has ever asked me what I did before I became a teacher, so I could demonstrate my "real life experience" while they all gasped.

Sahm with an LLB (long time ago - very rusty) - dh very senior position in education

An LLB? What’s that?

“Very senior position in education” - teaching and school based?

The working year is term time only.

The National Education Union - notice periods:

Maintained schools
Give notice by:-

31 October to end contract on 31 December

28 February to end contract by 30 April

31 May to end contract by 31 August

Sixth form colleges
The same as in maintained schools

Academies
Usually the same as in maintained schools, but check your contract

Independent schools
Notice will vary from school to school so check your contract

Further education
Notice will vary from college to college, but is generally longer than in schools.

Dismissal -
"If the Burgundy Book has been incorporated into your contract of employment, you will be entitled to a minimum of two months’ notice, and in the summer term, to a minimum of three months’ notice," "terminating at the end of the relevant school term (e.g. 31 August in the summer term, 30 April in the spring term and 31 December in the autumn term)."

neu.org.uk/advice/notice-periods

My real life includes meeting and working with people of all social classes, races, sexualities, genders, ages, beliefs, values, intelligences, aspirations, personalities, aptitudes and backgrounds on a DAILY basis. Very very few jobs can lay claim to encountering a genuinely wide range of people in this way or having a long term investment in many of their lives.

So people can stuff their teaching isn't real life comments where the sun doesn't shine.

"An LLB? What’s that?"
“Very senior position in education” - teaching and school based?"

Too much detail.

Mistressiggi
That experience doesn't count obviously. The idea that there's quite a few of us who have retrained and moved careers to teaching doesn't fit the "never seen the real world" arguments for workload and pay etc.
It's a funny old argument when you think about it. If anything the career changers I know are more likely to call out some of the ridiculous expectations in teaching more than those in their first couple of years who've gone straight in from university. Some of the more questionable SLT methods don't go very far on those with experience, maybe that's why some SLTs want a revolving door of young NQTs and aren't as keen on experienced teachers and career changers. We ask too many questions.

An LLB is a law degree. Can't see how that is outing. You were asked what job you did not what your self proclaimed long time ago degree is in.

I only hope your DH has a more nuanced and sympathetic attitude to teachers, especially if he is in any way a policy maker.

Too much detail

I thought you liked details 😂😂

It's rather sad but I just googled to see if Mrs Gove had studied law

Mr Gove is - thankfully- no longer in education .

teachers do seem to moan more and I think it’s because they haven’t ever worked outside an educational institution.

What, none of them?!

I think it's a point of view that, if you've never known life without the holidays that occur in the educational system (going to school oneself, then higher education then going on to teach) it's hard to imagine what just 4 weeks a year holiday is like in reality.

I know a few teachers. The two who did other jobs before going into teaching (one was a lawyer and the other ran a garden centre) say that the holidays and the shorter working days were part of what attracted them.
And they haven't been disappointed, they tell me, and agree that teachers who never done anything but teach do seem to think their job is disproportionately hard.

I know a couple of teachers that have worked in other jobs, factory floor and a paramedic, they both enjoy the work they do & love the time off between terms

So perhaps lamars has a point

and agree that teachers who never done

"who have never done"

Sounded like I could do with a teacher myself there.