Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

[TheMustressMhor]

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

Nothing wrong with ambition Plane. We all should be to some extent. It's wrong to be vilified for it.

No, you're right... there's absolutely nothing wrong with ambition. There is something wrong, however, with pretending to want a quiet life, bemoaning press intrusion and objecting to any criticism, whilst at the same time courting social media and planning even more attention. I admire MM for her ambition, but not at all the way she's gone about it. If she was honest and said that she was all about the attention and the private jets and holidays at the expense of Eltons and oligarchs then crack on. The issue here is not that the British are racist but that we can't bear hypocrisy, and yes, Wills and Kate will have been hypocritical but at least they appear to be trying...and don't treat the British public with disdain on the whole.

If MM was very thin skinned, how did she manage to survive in Hollywood?

1. The negative comments are now shared by millions around the world. That's a million times harder to bear than the comments of individual directors. And they are personal comments. Not just about her looks and her work but about her as a person, and her family
2. She probably does have a much thicker skin that PH. Much of this reaction must have come from him. Why is all of the criticism aimed at her?

What Meghan has done is nowhere near as bad as Camilla (and Charles, for that matter) - she shouldn’t warrant anywhere near the same level of criticism.

Exactly.

My comment was aggressive because the comment it was in response to was mindbogglingly offensive and outrageous. Particularly that her comment was aimed at someone who has lost a child.

@eminencegrise

Ignore that poster. You’ve expressed yourself very well amidst such insensitivity and I am sorry for your loss.

Why is all of the criticism aimed at her?

hambledon It isn't. It's aimed at both of them. Prince Harry's comments at the symposium on bereavement are aimed exclusively at him. Why are you pretending otherwise?

Totally agree @BovaryX.

@eminencegrise I am sorry for your loss.

Bovaryx you're right about the comments on this thread about PH and the bereavement conference. I must admit I wasn't aware he had done that at the time and I didn't realise there had been so much discussion about it in this thread. I admit I haven't read the whole thread. I stand corrected by you.

It would be a bit strange to 'pretend' I think MM has had more criticism than PH. I'm not pretending. Outside this thread, on the Daily Mail MM has had far more criticism. That's just a fact.

Given how many times I've seen it the last couple of days, I think "hypocrisy" is the updated version of "loud" to tear down an opinionated Black woman.

She's really loud. 🧐

I just can't stand the hypocrisy. 🤷‍♀️

DOG WHISTLE.

And uppity.

Can you imagine The Queen or Princess Anne under any circumstances whatsoever being described as uppity?

You have to shuffle out of the room backwards when you leave the Queen. You have to curtsy and you're not allowed to touch her. But the Queen's not uppity. Meghan Markle is.

hypocrisy means hypocrisy, it doesn’t mean loud at all. You can’t redefine words to suit the point you want to make.

As far as I know Camilla's never wanted to sell anything and for that I salute her.

Can you imagine The Queen or Princess Anne under any circumstances whatsoever being described as uppity?

Well, you couldn't really because uppity is class based. Refers to someone acting above their station. I don't know if it is racist in America but here it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with class.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy

picsinRed
Hypocrisy isn't a dog whistle for racism. What a lazy, sloppy claim. Hypocrisy is a charge leveled with accuracy against the 0.0001 per which has colonised and claims to speak on behalf of significant swathes of the left wing. You know what's truly comical in this passionate defense of a Duke and Duchess? Those making it wanted to put the RF to the guillotine quite recently. Now? They're their most ardent acolytes. If you seriously can't grasp why adopting self absorbed narcissistic royals as poster children for oppression isn't a smart or credible move? Get used to continual transatlantic electoral humiliation.....

You have to curtsy and you're not allowed to touch her.

You don't have to curtsy and I certainly wouldn't touch anyone without being sure if they were happy with it. She has every right to not want people to touch her.

Planeplane that's right. Uppity means behaving out of your class. But MM is supposed to be a member of the RF? The fact that she is called uppity implies she is not really considered a member of the family. Why not?

It was deleted before I could see it but it needed calling out. Of all the offensive posters I’ve seen here, she’s definitely a winner

This

Maybe the Queen isn’t uppity.

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/princess-margaret-a-darkly-glamorous-tale/

For me PH and MM are not poster children for oppression. They are human beings like me. Not soap opera characters. I can't feel hatred and vitriol for strangers who have not done anything terrible and I am embarrassed and ashamed that yet again the British are a laughing stock. The way we have treated them marks us out as uncivilised.

Actually, if you take the class dimension out of it, I can very much see that in the Queen and Anne. Here's dictionary.com's definition of uppity which, as an American based source, is less concerned with class:

1 affecting an attitude of inflated self-esteem; haughty; snobbish
2 rebelliously self-assertive; not inclined to be tractable or deferential.

Anne is definitely 2! Miriam Margoyles's description of her encounter with the Queen on ITV the other day did make her sound a bit like 1.

Camilla's never wanted to sell anything and for that I salute her.

Camilla has never been short of wealth and privilege so not that surprising she hasn't needed to hustle. She has cheated a lot on her partners, which is not a quality I admire.

If his one speech offends how do you think this couple feel about the numerous headlines etc?

Erm. I would take a lifetime of nasty DM headlines if it meant just one of my children had lived.

She has cheated a lot on her partners, which is not a quality I admire

It seems Andrew Parker-Bowles was far from faithful so I wouldn’t condemn her.

Leigh 💐