Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

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Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

Thanks @Laurie

I guarantee you that they don't struggle with insomnia worrying about the impoverished

No more than other members of the Riyal Family.

Prevegen I’m curious about that, feel free to message me if you think it’s a derail.

I have some very, er, unacceptable opinions about how race issues have damaged my family here and I’m only just starting to find out what the US has been like the last 10 or 15 years.

I can’t help thinking whatever any of us have heard about H&M, if it’s via media, it’s going to be wrong tbh.

Or less for that matter.

Hambledon I disagree. Charles has been slated over the years for his views on architecture, alternative medicine etc. Perhaps you are too young to recall but his comments about architecture in the 80s caused a real furore. You must be aware of the doubts raised his ability to be impartial when he is monarch. There have also recently been comments made about William's position on endangered species when he is fond of hunting. When Kate 'designed' a garden for the Chelsea flower show, some criticised her for being too 'middle class'. The media love to take a pot shot when the royals stand for a cause. It's not unique to Meghan. I think it's completely justifiable as in the 21st century, we have the right to question what our Royal family do.

Oh and many people criticised Kate when she has talked about the struggles new patients face.

I read that they are being advised by Obama and his wife.

I bet you didn't read that in The Independent.

Clooney, Clinton, Oprah and Obama are like trigger words to get people frothing at the mouth. This story won't stop until they are well and truly hounded out of the U.K. For the crime of?

In the meantime, the Iran crisis, leaving the EU..,

They have both squandered the good will of the people.
They had a £20 million wedding, a large private party at Windsor to celebrate it and the queen gifted them the property they requested and signed a large cheque to renovate it. She gave them a decent title and her support as did William and Kate. And to top it off not only do they receive their wage and expenses for being a working royal Daddy gave them an additional income of a couple of million a year.
In the early days the press coverage was pretty positive. Then it started to go wrong and rather than follow the royal line of new explain and never complain they went all woe is me.

Compare MM joining the royal family to Charles marriage to Camila. She was pretty much hated, insulted about everything. She was called horseface and blamed by a lot of people for what happened to Diana. But she quietly went about her new role. Never uses the title princess of Wales, supporting Charles and visiting community halls across the country shaking hands and smiling when I am sure she would rather be somewhere else. Over the years she has become a bit of a national treasure. Some will never accept her but the vast majority do.
This is the exact reverse of Harry and MM and maybe when it started to go wrong he should have gone and had a chat with his dad and taken his advice.

Not anywhere near the criticism levelled at these two.

Nowhere near.

How many threads? Headlines?

Oh and many people criticised Kate when she has talked about the struggles new patients face.

Responding to this.

as she is a new Mother. What is special about being a new mother?

a lot of Kate's speeches are about being a Mum and how she felt as a first time Mum.

I do think there's a massive difference in how Kate has gone about things like this as compared to H and M. Kate has talked about how hard it is to adjust to becoming a mother, she's chosen appropriate times to do so and used it as a way to raise awareness of the support that women need in the early days after having a baby. As I remember she has made reference to the fact that she's been privileged in having lots of support but still found it hard. Meghan wasn't talking about how hard it's been for her in order to raise awareness or to try to find common ground with other women but because she wanted to moan about it and because she genuinely feels hard done by. Don't get me wrong, I'd find it very difficult to be in the public eye, but that's why I've never gone down that path. She has clearly always been ambitious and has courted attention, surely no one can deny that.

As for the royal family and charity? They knighted Iain Duncan Smith - the orchestral conductor of one of the greatest humanitarian denigrations in my living memory.

To be fair, for all their faults they don't get to pick the government's honours list

MissEliza I am nearly 60 years old! and though I am not a royalist I have always avidly read royal news. I agree that Prince Charles has received a lot of negative press and not much positive attention. I also remember very well what was written about Fergie. A member of my family knew her and so I read all of that press about her with great interest. It was awful.

Many other members if the royal family have been criticised. It's undeniable. But nobody has had the level of sheer fabricated nastiness as MM. I feel embarrassed to be British. There is nowhere else in the world where 'respectable' newspapers do this. It's uncivilised and shaming.

Nothing wrong with ambition Plane.

We all should be to some extent.

It's wrong to be vilified for it.

I said previously not a lot of the women here would cope with it and I'm not wrong.

Agree Bovary
I think that at times, visiting RF do a good thing. When something terrible happens, the feeling that the entire country is mourning, including the RF, is very moving. Having a visit from a PM is not the same, as it can feel like self promotion.
I was no huge Diana fan, but her visiting very sick men on AIDS wards was helpful in reducing the stigma at the time.
The Africa trip comments were terrible, so ill timed and self centred. They both seem unaware of how to behave in a way that will earn them public respect, and also seem to feel beyond criticism or reproach.

I really don't see why Meghan should be expected to give everything up because she married a man who is, what, 7th in line to the throne? Why can't she continue her professional life as Meghan Markle, and when the occasion demands it, take on the Duchess of Sussex role? And Harry just continue in his current role if he wants to (not sure he particularly does tbh).

I think the problem has been expecting someone who had a career, interests, something to say, views etc. to just put it all to one side and become something else. She's clearly never going to be queen, and Charles has been saying he wants to streamline the monarchy, so why not let her carry on what she was doing - acting and lifestyle stuff?

They way they are being forced to do it now - either in or out - just puts them at risk of the grubby deals with shady businessmen, oligarchs etc. (as they may have done already with that holiday house) that Fergie and Andrew have fallen into.

I remember when Charles and Camilla went public. The media was vicious, far worse than anything any other member of the RF has ever faced, the Diana fangirls were baying for her blood. She was amazing, no matter how much it hurt - and it must have done - she was dignified and calm. Eventually it all died down because she refused to fan the flames. She’s a class act.

And I very much agree with dontsweatthesmallstuff on Camilla. She really was hated, her looks constantly commented on and compared with Diana’s .
I think people are fond of her now, because of how she has behaved.

So my comment calling JollyBird out on being unbelievably insensitive to those bereaved parents was deleted - but their offensive post implying being a new parent and a bereaved parent is the same thing in terms of difficulty, was allowed to stand?!

Excellent.

SirVixiofVixHall what does this mean?

(M and H)also seem to feel beyond criticism or reproach.

Do you mean that other members of the RF generally do behave reproachfully and accept criticism? When did that happen?

I imagine that going forward they will benefit from sponsorships in the same way as Peter Philips, Zara Tindall, Helen Taylor, India Hicks due to their connections to the RF without being in the inner circle.

I understand their desire for privacy but the other more senior roles manage to have a reasonable level of privacy, you occasionally see a tabloid reporting on Kate or Zara doing everyday things but not often. They could have privacy if they wanted it so I see that reason as a smoke screen and they want the publicity but want to control it. Irrespective of whether you agree the way they have ‘resigned’ whether from the work or the family is shameful and I think most people would negatively judge anyone who did that to their family and their family business.

as she is a new Mother. What is special about being a new mother?

Presumably they are more superior to bereaved mothers or, in my case, never could become a mother.

Anyhow. We are getting away from the point here.

*So my comment calling JollyBird out on being unbelievably insensitive to those bereaved parents was deleted - but their offensive post implying being a new parent and a bereaved parent is the same thing in terms of difficulty, was allowed to stand?!

Excellent.*

It was deleted before I could see it but it needed calling out. Of all the offensive posters I’ve seen here, she’s definitely a winner.