Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

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Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

William will be invested as Prince of Wales after Charles becomes King.

Harry/Megan would never have been offered this title.

Aside from the tradition of it being the title of the immediate heir, it also includes the Duchy of Cornwall, a historic gift from the nation to provide the heir to the throne with a very considerable independent income from the monarch.

Harry receives money from the Duchy (as does William) at the grace of his father.

When Charles becomes King and William PoW, Harry's income from the Duchy will be at Williams "generosity", though Charles could obviously as monarch still provide financially for Harry from the (vast) private wealth he will inherit from the Queen (without paying inheritance tax like us mere mortals).

I think Meghan is trying to maintain her Canadian permanent residence status
To meet these residency obligations, you must be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days (2 years) in every 5-year period

Didn’t Meghan arrive in the UK in mid 2017?
She’s clocking up her days to keep her Canadian residency status; which she probably got whilst working for Suits.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were doing paperwork at Canada House.
Also agree Archie was kept in Canada to stop him being detained by immigration as he is a minor royal child. (Ultimate custody belongs to the Monarch or some such thing).
I wouldn’t be surprised if Archie does not set foot on UK soil for years.

Harry was was Prince Harry of Wales; same as George is Prince George of Cambridge; taking the title from his father.

However given that William will be a Prince of Wales in the next decade; I don’t think he will want Harry associated with the title.

Prince & Princess Henry Mountbatten - Windsor then?

Watching TV programmes late last year celebrating Charles' 50 years as Prince of Wales it followed him and the different areas of the Duchy. It also showed William already starting to take over some of the overseeing of the Duchy saying such things and I quote " I will certainly be carrying on many of the traditions my Father has started when the time comes" So ergo William will be Prince of Wales and have control of the Duchy of Cornwall when Charles becomes King.

@DeRigeur

I have just looked at the sussexroyal site and in the media section, there is quite a bit about the 'Rota'.

It seems to me, looking at the newspapers involved, that it must be incredibly difficult to have to play to those papers when you know what they said about your mother. The interest in Harry must have taken on a new intensity now he has become married and a parent, but also he doesn't have to think of just himself - he has a wife and child who he clearly adore.

I don't know much about all this but it seems to me that the only way he felt he could control this was by severing his link to the media in this country.

If this was not a royal but an ordinary man, all the voices on here would say his wife and child should always come first. Isn't he just doing that? And the first one to actually do it completely and assertively?

Harry was was Prince Harry of Wales

Yes, applying royal convention, if the Duke of Sussex title was removed Meghan would be Princess Harry of Wales but NOT Meghan, Princess of Wales or Princess Meghan of Wales, in much the same way as Prince Michael of Kent’s wife is Princess Michael of Kent.

However that would only be true if Harry remained an HRH. If that were removed too, they be plain old Harry and Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor, or perhaps more likely, Markle-Windsor!

So ergo William will be Prince of Wales and have control of the Duchy of Cornwall when Charles becomes King.

The difference is that the heir to the throne is automatically Duke of Cornwall, but not automatically Prince of Wales.

So upon the Queen’s death, Prince William will immediately become Duke of Cornwall, but will have to wait for his father to appoint him Prince of Wales, which I imagine will be given quite quickly but may need an investiture like his father’s in the late 60s.

Prince of Wales is not an automatic title and there has been times when no one held the title.
Clearly the fact that William is being to be involved with the running of the duchy of Cornwall indicates that his father will bestow the title and the duchy upon William when he becomes king.

Harry and MM need to renounce all royal titles if they wish to step back from the royal family.

Do they also get money from the counties of Sussex combines also?

Hence why it's a gift to be the Duke or Duchess of a county ( and also why they are always the Posh counties)

Fair enough Oakenbeach I didn't realise one was automatic but the other bestowed

To be honest reading the articles on daily mail( I went to skeck it out because I just knew they'd be horrible but didn't realise quite how horrible) plus the crap in here about them .I think they should've done it sooner! They've basically proven that they are hated so why should they work for the royal family, do what they're told and still not be received we? They can't win!

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The press coverage they have received in some quarters has been vile.

As for Diana, well that's a complex issue. She was actually very ready to use the media to her advantage when it suited her.

She wasn't killed by the press as per the myth that some people want to propagate. She died because she refused royal security and got in a car with a drunk driver who was part of Fayed security.

As for severing ties with the UK press - that's not what I think this is about.

It's about controlling the "brand" by only allowing direct access to news outlets/reporters who are known to tow the Sussex line.

They need the press - it's core to their ambitions but they don't want to use the rota (as system designed not to show bias to any specific news outlet to retain royal impartiality) specifically because it's impartial and not sycophantic.

I think harking back to Diana and how she was treated as a reason for ditching the rota is a red herring.

I know it's the Mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874687/Friends-Meghan-Markle-open-DAVID-JONES-Megxit.html but what stood out was this comment:

I don’t think [Meghan] is fully aware of how much backlash she will receive [but] I honestly don’t think she cares at the moment,’ adds the friend.

‘What’s one country when she’s got the whole world at her feet? She won’t set foot in the UK again, let alone live there, unless she gets what she feels she’s worth.’

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out sweetie, and don't bother coming back.

WRT to the trademarking - isn't that just to prevent people cashing in on the name and producing unofficial goods with Sussex branding? Much as I like the idea of M & H flogging branded merch.

Yes re: trade marking.

The Cambridge's have done the same thing.

Clearly the fact that William is being to be involved with the running of the duchy of Cornwall indicates that his father will bestow the title and the duchy upon William when he becomes king.

The title of Duke of Cornwall will pass as immediately to William as the title of King will pass to Charles upon the Queen’s death. Charles won’t need to appoint William to the title.

Ah now I can see why The Queen has told Charles and William to sort it out. When Charles becomes king hw will still support The Sussex household, William gets the duchy of Cornwall for him and his heirs. Harry wouldn't be answerable to his brother for income till his brother becomes king.

Once Prince Charles becomes king, the Duchy of Cornwall will be inherited by Prince William for him to support his own family as it grows. Prince Charles will then take on the Duchy of Lancaster.

The Duchy of Lancaster is a private estate, consisting of 18,433 hectares of private land across England and Wales, which is currently owned by The Queen. It comprises commercial, agricultural and residential properties, in addition to a significant portfolio of financial investments and urban residences.

The net value of the Duchy of Lancaster is around £518.7 million to which The Queen receives about £19.2 million to fund her family. As of this point, Her Majesty uses that money for working members of the Royal Family like the Duke of York, Princess Anne, and the Earl and Countess of Wessex.

When Prince Charles takes on the Duchy of Lancaster, it will be his duty to then support the Duke and Duchess of Sussex through it, including other senior working members of the family. It is well known that Prince Charles’ vision of the future includes a slimmed down version that already cuts out his nieces, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie and could consist of his own siblings as the years go on.

WRT to the trademarking - isn't that just to prevent people cashing in on the name and producing unofficial goods with Sussex branding? Much as I like the idea of M & H flogging branded merch.

But they are actively using SussexRoyal, not simply trademarking it so others can’t use it.

Also agree Archie was kept in Canada to stop him being detained by immigration as he is a minor royal child. (Ultimate custody belongs to the Monarch or some such thing)

This is nonsensical. Can you imagine the outcry if this happened? Who would care for him, would he be handed over to Kate - the perfect mother, to bring up? The waves from such an act would bring the royal family to its knees and in the eyes of much of the world they'd be no more than kidnappers. It's just ridiculous to think this could be a possibility. She left him behind because she wasn't staying and she wanted an excuse to get out of the UK and back to Canada ASAP.

You learn something new everyday as I always thought that the duchy was the same as the Prince of Wales and had to be bestowed because there has been times when there has been no duke of Cornwall and it has reverted to the crown. But if I had thought about it on these occasions it was because there was no male heir.

The RF are not going to kidnap a child! Jesus. Don't give any more ammo for woke Meghan to scream down the phone at Harry with "but they will take our baby!" "Think of the children!" 🤦🏻‍♀️

I do wonder though just how much concern she has for Harry? Dropped the bombshell and retreated immediately leaving him to face it alone. The strength in their decision depends on togetherness. Is it possible he could cave if his family get to work on him? I wonder if she's already mentally prepared herself for that possibility but just wanted out so much that it was a risk worth taking.

I do wonder though just how much concern she has for Harry? Not much

The Unbearable Wokeness of Meghan.

I always wonder if people who really like her and think that the “haters” are all racist, sexist oiks, would be quite so keen to defend her if she was pushing an entirely different, entirely non-woke agenda: climate change denial, say, or support of Trump? Methinky not.

I think that this will sadly, but inevitably, break their marriage. I give it 2 years. ... then we will have a sad, broken prince harry back whilst MM and their child(ren) live elsewhere ... she’ll get bored of him, his dim wittedness and he will be deeply upset at the way he’s been forced to choose between his birth family and his wife..

Just my thoughts