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Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

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TheMustressMhor · 10/01/2020 10:56

Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

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SeperatedSwans · 10/01/2020 21:28

@EdithWeston. I don't think Meghan had any intention of becoming a British citizen in all honesty. She was never intending to stay long here.

willstarttomorrow · 10/01/2020 21:32

This thread is an intesting read. I am by no way a fan of the monarchy but as I have grown into middle age I have developed a grudging respect for the queen and her stoich acceptance of duty. For a lot of people in the UK she remains an important figure head and no one can argue with her work ethic. As such I am now in a place that I have no real interest in the royal family and in theory support a republic. However at this moment in time, I have no strong objections to paying the around £1.50 a year it costs me as a tax payer. Whilst no expert, I suspect they rake in more than we pay and when we insist on electing complete clowns, her maj provides some level of gravitas on the global stage. When she dies I think things may change but she has been a constant for several decades and continues to get on with it.

The problem with Harry and Meghan is their bloody preaching. In my view the press have been awful to Meghan and there is no doubt there are racial and snobbish undertones. However there are loads of us working in the UK with increasingly disadvantaged groups, faced massive pay freezes for years, getting home late to our own children without a nanny in situ, fighting for justice for those who were disadvantaged from birth etc. And as for the thousand of volunteers who just get up and get on with trying to make the world a better place......

To be fair, this is not specific to H&M, loads of bloody A listers seem to think their fame entitles them to become a spokes person or ambassador. In my experience, the only people who have galvanised change are those with lots of work experience/research in the subject or those who have lived it themselves and then make it their mission to facilitate understanding. I find it really offensive that H&M seem to think they are in a position to be saviours. They can be fund raisers and maybe raise awareness of issues in consultation with people that know what they are doing. Writing on bananas etc, is kind, it does not really bring about sustainable change.

annielouise · 10/01/2020 21:34

I think the photos of the line of succession in the background of the queen's speech and the recent photo of the four of them was PR to show and ensure continuity in the public's minds after the andrew stuff, in other words a refocusing onto the main players, and wasn't to do with excluding H&M.

This latest business underlines to me why the RF should be wound up. I said on the earlier thread that how the H&M situation is handled should be done with a view that Charlotte, Louis or George might do the same 25 years from now - opt out. So if that's an option what's the point of them? What's the point of having a 'spare'? Yes, they can opt out but beyond their title I don't see why they should get to pick and choose plum royalty-related jobs, receive money and other financial benefits from the UK and then be also able to feather their own nests.

There's a great conflict of interest too if they want to be super woke and be outspoken about people like Trump if they partly remain part of the RF. How would that work?

I think Canada is a stop gap and the US is Meghan's ultimate goal. Canada is a link between the two.

I said a few years ago before they married that I gave it five years. I still think this. I never liked him, wasn't never taken in by the affable jack-the-lad act, and expected all of this from her in some form or other. She's a phoney and out for herself. Harry is too and used her to further his cause as well - i.e. to be as popular as Diana.

I think Harry loves her more though and I think he's poured himself into this as he doesn't want it to fail. And because of that he's a loose cannon.

I would never have expected him to have done this in the way it's been done - holding his family over a barrel. He seemed pretty loyal and dutiful to the monarchy before. I think there's been a real break down in relations within the family and like the petulant child he is, mixed in with Meghan's influence, he's gone off tangent.

tillytrotter1 · 10/01/2020 21:45

advance the solutions the world needs most

Who really was Jack the Ripper?
Was there really a Mr Qualtrough and who killed Julia Wallace?
What/Who happened to Madeleine McCann?
Why did Waitrose change the recipe of their tarte au citron?

Who shot JFK?
WHo scratched my car at the weekend?

yolofish · 10/01/2020 21:49

"what the world needs now is love, sweet love..."

advance the solutions the world needs most oh give me a fucking break!! I mean really, what sort of arrogance gives rise to that kind of comment?

JulietJanuary · 10/01/2020 21:54

Yes who in their right mind writes this corporate crap.

JulietJanuary · 10/01/2020 21:57

Willstarttomorrow: which is why Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe speech was a hit in many quarters.

Uk tabloid press are awful, that is a given.

derxa · 10/01/2020 22:00

Willstarttomorrow: which is why Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe speech was a hit in many quarters. The woke industry is on a downward spiral - I hope.

stairway · 10/01/2020 22:03

I think that if they choose to live abroad they should pay for their own security. The millions of pounds saved could then be spent on saving lives in the uk such as providing drugs not currently funded. There are much better ways to use public funds in order protect the lives of citizens in this country.

JulietJanuary · 10/01/2020 22:03

I am not a fan of JK Rowling in particular but her funding of MS research impresses me. Also Bill and Melinda Gates on malaria control and childhood immunisations.

For celebrities at the lower end of riches my PR advice is that they should ask themselves WWKD? Otherwise understood as What Would Keanu Do?

derxa · 10/01/2020 22:07

I think that if they choose to live abroad they should pay for their own security. I don't agree. They can't afford it and I fear for them if they don't have proper security. I don't like them much but I want them to be safe.

voddiekeepsmesane · 10/01/2020 22:08

OK really thought I had had enough of the two of them then a question just hit me. Why if they were ever going to actually sit and talk properly with the rest of the RF did they leave Archie in Canada? They never ever had any intention whatsoever at talking this out, they were going to do what they were going to do and leave, The shit has hit the fan more than they thought so she has gone back and Harry is left to try to deal with it. It is a total shit show IMO. I have no problem with them wanting out BUT they needed to give the rest of the RF a chance to sort matters.

DeRigueurMortis · 10/01/2020 22:10

Julie

I used to work for a company with a US HQ and regularly had "run in's" with the marketing department over there on the copy they wanted to use to promote my division in the UK and Europe.

It wasn't that they were bad at their job per se, what they produced played well to an American market.

However they found it very hard to grasp that what comes across in the US as "upbeat, positive and inspirational" messaging can easily be perceived in Europe and the UK especially as "disingenuous, over-reaching and patronising".

Looking at the Sussex website it's got all the hallmarks of a US production in this regard.

However, given their aims it's clear that H&M are absolutely planning on playing to a North American audience.

So whilst many of us here are reading these statements and calling "bullshit" they could well be right on point wrt the messaging for their target "consumers".

Needmorecaffine · 10/01/2020 22:14

Yes the shit has been left for H to sort out. Although he does have some engagements this week. Many of his engagements are planned well in advance so he needs to sort his shit out pretty soon

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/01/2020 22:15

I realise it's hardly the same, but can't help remembering that the Duchess of Windsor (Wallis Simpson) also left the country while Edward tried to negotiate their future

Granted they weren't married at that point, but the "if you want me you'll have to follow me" rings a bell right now ...

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 10/01/2020 22:15

advance the solutions the world needs most

The biggest of them all......can they go back in time and tell JKRowling that Ron and Hermione is just not going to work.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 10/01/2020 22:17

The simplest solution is to strip them of their Sussex titles.
She becomes Princess Henry of Wales.
They want to be junior Royal; so let them revert to a lesser title.
Once Harry is no longer a Royal Duke; the Sussex Royal brand has zero value; and cannot be monetized.

If they want to go it alone as Meghan and Harry Mountbatten Windsor; then good luck to them. I suspect fewer doors will be opened to them; without the allure of the royal title.

If Meghan & Harry truly want privacy ; then a loss of a title is irrelevant.
However they want to milk the RF brand and personally benefit; (as opposed to eg Duchy Originals profits being ploughed back into the PoW‘s charities)

Needmorecaffine · 10/01/2020 22:17

"if you want me you'll have to follow me" rings a bell right now ...
Ooooo what if he doesn't follow.......

JulietJanuary · 10/01/2020 22:19

DeRigeur . Oh I agree.

My family has links to US, Southern California specifically, so I can see the culture clash occurring!

Contrasting parenting ethos might have played into this decision too I suspect.

voddiekeepsmesane · 10/01/2020 22:21

Needmorecaffine he will for Archie if nothing else

Needmorecaffine · 10/01/2020 22:21

Is t the prince of wales title held for the Heir to throne ? So unlikely Harry will get it and Meg never be Princess of Wales.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 10/01/2020 22:24

In the words of Ricky Gervais I don’t care. Nor does anyone I know care as they are just irrelevant.

Let them go to Canada and sell themselves as some sort of brand ambassador for apple or google and charge the awoke a half a million to turn up to their party. But leave your titles at the door on the way out. Don’t ask the British tax payer to fund your security either pay yourself or let daddy pay in the same way as Andy pays for his childrens.
Go and do whatever you wish to support yourself. Maybe George and Oprah will give you a handout after all they hardly had even met you when they go front row seats at your wedding so there must be some deep instant connection there.

The only interesting thing this whole mess has done is made me out of interest google MM’s ex husband and chief boyfriend. I didn’t know who they were until I read their names yesterday and I must say they are both seriously hot. MM dropped her standards a bit when she went on that first date with Harry.

JulietJanuary · 10/01/2020 22:28

Good call Leigh!

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 10/01/2020 22:28

He can never be the prince of Wales as it is reserved solely for the heir apparent and given by the reigning king or queen. So when Charles becomes king it will be up to him whether he then gives the title prince of Wales to William.