AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

@my2bundles the vegan diet is generally very healthy assuming you avoid such processed foods you're referring too. I personally don't eat processed foods and I'm healthy and have low food costs.

@fascicle

What is an appropriate vegan diet for an eight month old? A two year old? I don't think they really exist. Not in reality. There may be a theoretical possibility of one, involving expense, planning and research which may be beyond many vulnerable people. Or even people of limited education.

Therefore, vegan diets should not be recommended for infants.

Because you're just swtiching me off engafing with you any further. My post has everything in it, why should I have to keep reposting because you missed it.

Why should I have to explain myself to you about using another posters name that was clear to everyone else?

That means its you missing points. Not me as you try to imply. I haven't missed anything.

Your posts are difficult to engage with because you are waiting for others to do your work for you.

If you look at any thread you will see usernames bolded. Pretty much always. MNers have recognised protocol for boldening usernames, and abbreviating them it really is very obvious, particularly when there is a username on the thread that matches and in continuous posting mode!

Your fail.

joystir59

I'd imagine your constant feelings of guilt are doing far more damage to your health than meat and dairy would.

There seems to be some kind of 'natural idyll' which is an oxymoron.

Nature is cruel

In nature animal predators literally rip their prey apart, apart from humans who have set rules to do this without the suffering endured in nature

There's no end of movie ...lived the rest rest of their natural lives....stop, they died cruelly to feed another hungry bigger animal, which left their offspring to die of starvation or be equally ripped to bits.

I've seen african wildebeests still kicking whilst lions are eating their insides, they certainly tear off any testicles or reproductive organs first, so basically being eaten alive.

Can you imagine anything so horrific.

Newborn prey live their pretty much every moment in fear of their lives. Nature, indeed.

Eat animals, slaughter them ethically, but stop dictating to others to stop eating meat just because you can't see the reality either of nature or how protected domestic animals are by comparison.

Its only because I know not all vegans are this dictatorial that I havent developed a skewed view of all vegans based on the unreal contributions from some on this thread.

Vegan ism is a trendy niche. I've no problem with people following trendy niches but I do have a problem with people trying to enforce it on everyone else. Particularly if they then disrupt legitimate bussiness by protesting (active virtue signalling!).

@SciFiRules you're right. I dislike anyone preaching to me about what I should eat or how I should live. Veganism has become trendy and I dislike the fact everyone is getting on the bandwagon to be trendy. People and companies. Ie kfc launching a vegan burger cooked on chicken fat....more than that I dislike meat eaters who think it's game on to start conversations like "why are you vegan........do you not faint all the time....where do you get protein from" conversations followed by 10 excuses why they eat meat! My MIL told me she only eats halal because it's less cruel ffs!! I don't care! Eat what you want!

@iamadalek2
Almost in agreement then.. except I don't need an excuse to eat meat!

@SciFiRules that's fair enough. If you want to eat meat do it. It doesn't bother me so long as people own their decision. There are so many posts on here with excuses why people are not vegan. If you eat meat because you like it thats fine but be honest about it. Don't interrogate vegans for their choices and vice versa.

AnyMinuteNow
Because you're just swtiching me off engafing with you any further. My post has everything in it, why should I have to keep reposting because you missed it.

You've addressed me three times. Your post does not contain the information to back up your claims.

Your posts are difficult to engage with because you are waiting for others to do your work for you.

Not true. I made a statement about cases where children have failed to thrive in response to a highly distorted claim you made. Whilst you were unwilling to provide a link to back up your claim, other posters did. Each case was an example of inappropriate diet/lack of medical attention, which was exactly the point I was making.

Not sure how I could get others to do the work for me when I'm challenging the existence of the evidence (as represented in e.g. your claim) which unsurprisingly has not been provided.

bingbangbing
What is an appropriate vegan diet for an eight month old? A two year old? I don't think they really exist. Not in reality.

Not my place to directly advise, but plenty of decent information available e.g. from the Vegan Society:

www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/life-stages

Link from the British Dietetic Association supporting the Vegan Society/suitability of vegan diet for all ages:

www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=179

Veganism is actually quite fascinating. It's not every day you see situation when 1% of population creates this kind of fuss over their decision to simply not do something that basicaly every place has dishes for them.

I would like the BDA to change their stance tbh.

Mainstreaming a formerly niche diet has to take account that the average iq is 100.

The vegan society recommends soy formula which is sub-optimal.

Anybody who recommends sub-optimal nutrients for a baby in any situations other than necessity, is an actual idiot. Anyone who actually feeds their child that as a choice, is a psychopath.

I'm vegan. I agree that vegan cheese is disgusting, so I don't eat it. I don't eat a lot of the fake alternatives.

I think veganism isn't for everyone, but I do think people should be a bit more open to vegan alternatives and try a little bit - give oat milk a go, have one or two days a week when you eat clean vegan foods etc. It's not much of a sacrifice to try ne alternatives.

Every decision I have made to help the environment has ended up helping me far more than I ever imagined - especially veganism, not having a car and not buying so much shit.

Even NHS says not to use soya formula under 6 months

My justification is the fact I bloody love the taste.

I’m a regular red meat eater, which was pointed out by the medical professional who did my anaesthetic for my c section 12 days ago, due to my iron levels being so good I was miles away from even having a sniff of anemia.

Plus as you can see, makes a fabulous birthday treat for pooches. Mmmms steak!

Mindproject I agree with a lot of that: simplifying life has brought benefits to me. I just think the environmental impact of processed food systems, even vegan, can be worse than me going to buy lamb's liver from the local butcher.

A big trigger for me to stop being vegetarian was going out into hill farming country regularly.

but I do think people should be a bit more open to vegan alternatives and try a little bit

Unfortunately, there's quite a bit on this thread that is very indicative of why some people, when they hear the word 'vegan', close both their mind and their ears.

It's a funny old thing, being lectured, hectored, guilted, emoted and ranted at, and being told what one 'should' do, so often has the effect of making the recipient want and do the exact opposite!

@mbosnz I agree.. doesn’t help when OP has a name like annoyingvegan either.

It just goes to show that all they actually want to gain is to be annoying about being a vegan. What’s the point?

Oh wow, Fodmap, I had never heard of this until this thread. My intolerances and allergy to legumes and eggs have always been seen as separate things. Although it has been years since I have discussed food problems with the gp, so could be mentioned to me now. But will be discussing at my next review.

Do vegan parents raising their children Vegan get their child inoculated?
Amazing how many medications contain Egg.

The infertility link to Vegans is because a lot of the diet includes phytoestrogens. This is also in Soy formula (NHS advises from 6 months under medical care). Phytoestrogens mimic estrogens in the body.

A high increase of phytoestrogens can lead not only to fertility but to changes in hormonal cycles.
difficulties with lactation.
increased risk of breast cancer.
increased risk of endometriosis.
increased risk of endometrial cancer.
increased risk of nonviral toxic hepatitis.
increased risk of uterine fibroids.

What’s the point?

I think that being annoying was the point - being vegan was just the chosen medium!

Mmmm, steak, bacon, cream and cheese.

You do you, op. I will continue to enjoy my meat and dairy meals

@SecretWitch be nice. You're deliberately trying to upset the op and there's o need for that.