AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

@SaaauuusierGrrr
The meat industry doesn't torture animals. What secrets or confessions are the meat industry trying to obtain from flora the cow?

@AnnoyingVegan I don't think meat eaters feel guilty at all, I eat meat and I don't feel guilty.

Even if I went vegetarian for example, it would be for my own health benefits not because of my carbon foot print or animal cruelty.

Except a lot of the ‘meat alternatives’ made me ill. As a person with a limited diet ( who does not consume much meat anyway) i won’t go vegan.
I do reduce my intake where possible.
I have non meat eaters in my family and friends, amazingly they don’t judge people different to them

I would really like to know whether vegans would refuse medical treatment such as chemotherapy or essential medication because at some point it has involved testing on animals?

Insulin still is made from pigs and cows

There is artificial one too, but loads is still natural

The meat industry doesn't torture animals. What secrets or confessions are the meat industry trying to obtain from flora the cow?

@SciFiRules

Tell that to the cow who is forcibly impregnated over and over again only to have her babies ripped away and killed while she is used for milk production. Tell that to the terrified veal calves who are killed as babies. Tell that to the animals who are (totally legally) castrated or branded without anaesthetic. Tell that to the chickens whose beaks are clipped or who are kept in miserable cramped conditions waiting to die. Tell that to the pigs who have their teeth ground down and tails clipped because overcrowding in pig farms makes them go mad and turn on each other. Tell that to baby male chicks thrown, still alive, into grinders.

Tell that to every single creature who has a mother and a desire to be safe and fed and cared for, who just wants to live out it's natural life and see the sun.

Or just keep cracking "edgy" jokes about animal abuse because cruelty is hilarious, right?

I want to be a vegan but being allergic to soya and intolerant of quorn makes it virtually impossible. I can't eat too many legumes otherwise I get IBS.

It's hardly a needless death that's being inflicted if I'm going it eat it afterwards.

@SaaauuusierGrrr

I don't think you can tell them anything- they're animals and English comprehension is somewhat limited in the average cow.

Why do you need to replace the word "calve" with baby? Is it because there is no logic to your argument so you must rely on emotive hooks instead?

Many people all over the world do think that the slaughter of sentient creatures for human pleasure and profit is comparable to murder.

How rude and inconsiderate to murder victims and their families.
Killing an animal for food is NEVER the same as a human killing a human. Just NO

I dare any vegan who believes this shit to tell someone who has had their child killed that the kids death was the same as people eating meat. Dont be surprised to leave with a broken nose

Here's another one:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/ypeqz7/vegan-parents-of-hospitalized-child-lose-custody-for-refusing-to-change-diet

@squeekums

I cannot believe that you just used "but child murder is worse" as an argument to justify animal cruelty. You really think that child murder is just a convenient thing to just drag into a debate?

Seriously, you people are sick.

I'm out of this thread.

And another:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk

Why do you need to replace the word "calve" with baby? Is it because there is no logic to your argument so you must rely on emotive hooks instead?

Agreed another hysterical term! Also agree speak to the parent of a murdered child and compare it to a slaughtered animal And see the response you get!

Tell that to every single creature who has a mother and a desire to be safe and fed and cared for, who just wants to live out it's natural life and see the sun.

But that rarely ever happens in nature. Nature is brutal. That’s why most animals have so many young, because most meet early, brutal deaths at the ‘hands’ of other animals. They have lots of young in the hope that out of all of them, on average two will survive to ‘replace’ the parents to ensure survival of the species.

SaaauuusierGrrr

Seeing as you are so keen to alleviate suffering what penalties do you think are appropriate for the parents who have malnourished their children with vegan diets?

Should only the parents be held responsible?

What if the parents are vulnerable themselves and unable to tackle the complexity of ensuring correct nutrition on such a restrictive diet?

How should the health and education services monitor such children?

Should those promoting veganism be held responsible at all if less educated people choose veganism for their children without fully understanding the difficulties of providing adequate nutrition to their children on such a diet?

Or is it only non-human suffering you care about?

@SaaauuusierGrrr Quite frankly, the fact you think that killing animals for food is comparable to murder of a human makes me question your sanity and the sanity of anyone who agrees with you

Like it or not, killing animals is not murder BY DEFINITION in the top dictionaries. Food or not

My staple diet is largely plant based, but I sometimes eat flesh and dairy. I feel very guilty for eating flesh and eat as little as I can, so once or twice a week. I also buy non dairy milk alternatives and local farm eggs. I eat a lot of hummus! Shavings of cheese on a lot of meals. Vegan cheese sometimes. I dislike meat substitutes but at least they are guilt free. I believe a lot of flesh eaters feel guilty about it which is why we don't like vegans. I curl up inside with guilt when I'm with my vegan friend.

To be fair to SaaauuusierGrrr, she's not talking the legal definition of murder. In her eyes, animal life is equal to human life. So she's as emotive about animals being killed, as those who don't see them as being equal, or the same, are about a person killing another person.

The fact that she cannot get others to place the same value on animal life as she does, and that she thinks they ought to, is upsetting her greatly.

I believe a lot of flesh eaters feel guilty about it which is why we don't like vegans. I curl up inside with guilt when I'm with my vegan friend.

You curl up with guilt when you're with your vegan friend. I don't. I don't feel guilty about eating dead meat. And I don't dislike vegans, or veganism. I dislike vegans who are aggressively militant and evangelical about their beliefs.

I object to glossy "selling" to a mass market via emotional manipulation of something that needs to be undertaken with care.

Getting it wrong has consequences.

Im so looking forward to my roast chicken later, with loads of veg.

@iamadalek2 Wow so are you allergic to vegetables and fruit?

I have to follow a low FODMAP diet. A lot of foods - vegetables, fruits, etc contain fodmaps, and in some quantities they cause me to suffer greatly. I think I specified that below.

Meat does not contain any fodmaps. Therefore it often features.

who just wants to live out it's natural life and see the sun.

Highly fucking unlikely in nature. The only way most animals reach their natural lifespan is in a zoo.