AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

Because I live in a farming community

And the vegan substitutes have no environmental impact do they? Such as soy?
I'm all for reducing meat intake but your post is ridiculous.

There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of.

I’m a vegetarian low carber. There isn’t a vegan substitute that fits with that. They’re generally very low protein and high carb.

I buy no meat and only high welfare dairy/eggs (live in farming area and buy direct).

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I like meat. Besides, a lot of the new vegan stuff is so heavily processed that I’m sure there will be a health scandal in the making.

The substitutes are crap. I'd rather eat the meat and dairy

For most people (me included) it tastes nice.

shit I voted wrong. make the 100% YABU

Per cup, soy milk has half the carbon footprint of dairy milk. Other alternatives like oat milk are even better than that.

Eighty percent of the worlds soy is grown for animal food.

This information is easily available - if you’re in favour of reducing meat intake you should learn about it.

And there is not a vegan substitute for stilton. Or camembert. Or soft boiled eggs. Or rare steak. Or prawns.

Do you have kids? Do you use transport which relies on fossil fuels? Do you buy anything made of or packaged in plastic? Do you have pets? You know that all these thins are disastrous for the planet and yet people still do them. Does that blow your mind too?

Because every substitution I have tried to make has either been nutritionally awful in some way. Less iron, more sodium, etc.

There’s no such thing as ethical dairy, sorry

I don't eat meat but I'm not prepared to eat that shit that calls itself vegan cheese.

Vegan alternatives aren't necessarily particularly good for the planet either- consider the damaging farming practices used to produce almonds, avocados, and soya, for instance, and the energy used to transport them across the world to us.

Intensive animal farming is certainly detrimental to the environment, and to animal welfare. However, products from animals reared extensively, on grass or on locally produced fodder, are not so bad.

Meat subs taste like garbage, i agree with that.

That being said, you dont need these in a vegan or plant based diet at all either, they are probably just as unnecessary as meat itself.

One huge issue is people just not really knowing how to prepare healthy 100% nutritional vegan/plant based meals. It is when folks start making these unbalanced meals and suffering for it that the whole movement is set back really.

If we weren't meant to eat animals, they wouldn't be made out of meat.

Because I evolved as an omnivore. And because I don't want to eat the processed crap that is the vegan substitutes.

I buy organic animal products only, I'll eat vegan food when out and about rather than consume factory farmed. But I will not damage my own health going vegan.

Processed vegan food makes me ill full vegan diet without the processed food....still makes me ill

My body is designed to be an omnivore

I'm a human, I'm designed to exist on a variety of food which includes meat products. I believe that it's a healthier way to live than excluding food we've evolved to eat.
I respect views that are different to mine and have friends who are vegan/vegetarian and we all happily coexist with our differing views on the matter.

Tastes good though right

I don’t have kids or pets and I cycle to work. I also grow most of my own veg on my allotment. But even if I didn’t do those things, giving up meat and dairy is still, by far, the single biggest thing a person can do to reduce their carbon footprint.

Justification? I like meat (we don't eat much) and dairy (we bloody love cheese; the kids don't have dairy as they're intolerant).

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I eat meat and dairy because I like them. And because as humans we are omnivores and not vegans.

If you choose to be a vegan then crack on, but do so on your own time.

It tastes nice