AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

How many of you lot happily endorsing day old chicks being ground up alive and dairy calves being removed from their mothers at 24 hours old (with the males slaughtered for veal) and the endless slaughter of billions of animals every year have the bald-faced gall to call yourselves animal lovers?

How many of you call your dogs your fur babies while cramming carcasses into your mouths?

People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet.

No it's not, that's a lie. It's disastrous for human habitation of the planet, but so what. The best thing that could happen to the planet is human extinction, so speeding up our demise is a good thing.

Eventually we will poison the planet and die out, having taken loads of other species with us. But just as when the meteor hit 65 million years ago and wiped out the dinosaurs and that led to the rise of the mammals, and us, our demise will open up an opportunity for something else.

Within a relatively short space of time after our demise (5-10 million years or so), the planet will recover from the harm we inflicted and be just fine, until the sun swallows it up in 5 billion years.

So if you care about the planet at all, drive a huge SUV, fly everywhere eat meat, and help get shot of humanity asap.

I eat vegan at places like frankie and Benny's as I am dairy intolerant but limited to what I like and i have tried several vegan products but I'll admit I dont think much to the taste. This will sound d really selfish to vegans but I eat meat cos I like the taste and enjoy the occasional steak/ burger and love my chicken, I dont eat meat every day but I also wont give it up. I enjoy it...as much as you and other vegans will not like my opinion

People are literally going to die because of the climate crisis

We’re all going to die.

The human race has (had) about 1000 years left. We are doing nothing food for the planet. Better to end it now and let the universe/animal kingdom try again, surely?

*good

How many of you lot happily endorsing day old chicks being ground up alive and dairy calves being removed from their mothers at 24 hours old (with the males slaughtered for veal) and the endless slaughter of billions of animals every year have the bald-faced gall to call yourselves animal lovers?

How many of you call your dogs your fur babies while cramming carcasses into your mouths?*

Yeah, but bacon tastes soooo good

I don't need a justification. I like meat and dairy. I like to eat it. I don't want to be a vegan. Too much work and boring AF.

Don’t a lot of organic fertilisers use animal products? You’re probably eating lots of veg grown with animal based fertilisers

Spoken like a true psychopath

Why? Would you rather see red deer, for instance, die of starvation due to over-population? Not like there's wolves to keep the population down any more. One quick bullet is far kinder, and it would be pretty disgraceful to let the results rot when they're an excellent food source.

Vegans honestly want to take themselves out of the food chain. Doesn't work that way. There are plenty of mammals, birds and insects killed in crop production as well. Other creatures die so that you can live. If you think you've somehow distanced yourself from that you're delusional.

Yes YES Lifecraft!

Vast swathes of Argentinian rainforest have been chopped down and burned to accommodate the West’s new found love affair with soya.
Coconut oil???
Avocados???
Nuts???
If you’re looking at reducing carbon emissions then don’t eat lentils, chickpeas, chia seeds, tinned tomatoes, baked beans( tinned in uk but imported haricot beans) most beans, most dried pasta. I could go on.

We need to have a global discussion about the way forward regarding food production. Just not eating meat or consuming dairy is not the answer.
I beg to ask, if we all went vegan overnight, what should happen to all the livestock around the world, and how should farmers be compensated?

This veganism for the future will need to take a lot of time.

The best thing that could happen to the planet is human extinction, so speeding up our demise is a good thing.

Don’t you care about all the animals who are going to go extinct because of us before then?

We are in the middle of the planet’s 6th mass extinction event and it’s entirely man made.

There will be people on this thread who’ve shed a tear over footage of a starving polar bear desperately scrambling for sheet ice who are actively making decisions which contribute to this harm.

I don't have a dog, but I hear they taste just like chicken. We do have a cat, however, the only thing that got rid of all the fucking mice that were in here.

OP if you really care about the environment then you are coming at this all wrong.

You are being extremist. If you make a reasoned argument many people will agree on a need to significantly reduce consumption.

By being goady and ignoring the valid points why use of some land for grazing etc may be acceptable, you alienate everyone and utterly lose..

Why? Would you rather see red deer, for instance, die of starvation due to over-population? Not like there's wolves to keep the population down any morE

So ditch all the sheep grazing the life out of the highlands and reintroduce wolves. Read up on the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction project for the benefits of reintroducing apex predators.

Don't be so fucking stupid. How does it help the environment if eg we stop eating the locally produced high welfare meat, and fly in soya from across the globe? Let me guess, you're one of those vegan evangelicals that likes to preach but with no idea of farming or how food is produced beyond a Facebook video a fellow ignoramus shared of a factory farm.
Go and try & grow your vegan diet in the many areas of the uk that aren't suitable for arable farming and then get back to us.

There's a shit load of reform needed to completely change the low standards of animal welfare allowed in food production, and I wish some uneducated moronic vegans would stop distracting from that with their bullshit.

The salt content in vegan alternative meat
Products is very very high

YABU because on an environemt pov, it’s RED MEAT and dairy that is the issue, not just ‘meat’ in general.

Also, yes western countries are the worst re environement. That’s because we actually use u h more ressources. Such as clothes, water, smart phones etc etc
So maybe the answer is to start with no upgrading automatically to the latest phone, mend clothes instead if buying new. Same with shoes (when did you kat take your shoes to the cobbler?) etc etc. You could also ask if yu ar eating avocado, quinoa etc... all foods coming form abroad, on the other side of the planet. Grapes anyone too? Or even tomatoes in winter?

I recently did one of those tests re carbon emission. We eat ‘meat’ everyday. We still have a carbon emission much lower than most. It’s not just about meat and ‘becoming vegan’ which has many many other consequences in the planet, nit all good far from.
Fixating on ‘meat’ is like being a goodie two shoes wanting to be seen as an good citizen’ wo actually having any idea about what is damaging to the planet.

Because many of my family are allergic to soya

Are you wanting to convert people to veganism? Make them see the light?

I fear your approach is possibly having the opposite effect.

Maybe you don't care about that. That's okay.

Because IT'S NOT HEALTHY to exclude any major food group. You cannot get a balanced diet from vegan food and have you seen the crap in the meat substitutes. There is insufficient calcium, B12 and iron in vegan diets and they lack several of the essential amino acids.

Humans are designed to eat meat - not every day and having a couple of meat free days a week is to be encouraged.

You are being extremist. If you make a reasoned argument many people will agree on a need to significantly reduce consumption.

This isn’t true. Sorry. I’ve spent many years making reasoned arguments and receiving the exact same responses because people with guilty consciences react defensively when the choices they feel bad about are challenged.

So ditch all the sheep grazing the life out of the highlands and reintroduce wolves. Read up on the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction project for the benefits of reintroducing apex predators.

I'm personally all for the re-introduction of wolves, but until that happens, the deer population needs to be culled.
I'm not all for stopping sheep grazing because what the hell else do you do with the land in the Highlands? Cover the whole lot of it in sodding pine plantations? Far worse environmentally than sheep farming.

You don’t have to eat soya to be vegan. I literally never do.

I'm not all for stopping sheep grazing because what the hell else do you do with the land in the Highlands?

Why do you think you need to do anything to it at all?!