To think Harry wants to Have his cake and eat it

[Lardlizard]

If you want to leave fine, goodbye
But you can’t be half in half out !

I don't really care tbh.
If they split their time between their families, live their lives, earn a living, it's of pretty much no consequence to me. Let them keep their titles, again it's only of consequence to them (and people who might be impressed by that).
Good luck to them.

Anyone who thinks they know how Harry feels about a bunch of photographs on his grandmothers table is totally batshit.

I know what you’re saying.

Anyone speculating on potential abuse in a marriage of people they’ve never clapped eyes on in real life, spoken to, or know anything about apart from through the lens of the press, is an idiot.

Clearly you dont.

I was pointing out that if this was any other couple people would be saying abuse. Often those people are wrong. I am not saying its abuse.

But it's amazing that so many people think this is definitely a great move for them. Despite not knowing anything about them. You are making judgements without knowing them as well. That would make you an idiot too?

It could be great. It could be awful.

I was pointing out that if this was any other couple people would be saying abuse

And I’m saying they’d be idiots for speculating on a marriage they know nothing about

It's fair enough. Leaving any toxic family is hard. Leaving the firm 100 × harder. Good luck to the three of them. I hope they can create a new 'family' of lovely friends wherever they end up settling. MN has a very DMish tone today

Agree op, they are flouncing. However they are already independently wealthy enough to buy an estate in Canada and just quietly spend extended time there, without officially withdrawing or much comment. All this public statement and restricting access to engagements is drawing further attention to and scrutiny of themselves. Press knew exactly where they were staying and left them alone. Will they relinquish Harry and Archie's positions in the line of succession? Do we really care that much, after all the plan always was to downsize the Royal circle (although thought Prince Andrew and his dependants would go first).

*And I’m saying they’d be idiots for speculating on a marriage they know nothing about(

And yet you have a firm opinion on their marriage?

You are a well known poster here. You make judgement on peoples situations with very little information all the time.

And yet you have a firm opinion on their marriage?

I haven’t a clue. I’ve never claimed to have.

You make judgement on peoples situations with very little information all the time.

With information that posters offer up to be judged. Not tiny glimpses micromanaged by a media with an agenda.

Umm any poster posting about their own situation is micro managing a situation with their own agenda.

And yes, you have made judgements. And tried to shut anyone down that you dont agree with

I secretly think H and M are doing the hockey cokey ‘in, out, in, out, shake it all about...’

I would be the first to admit that what is offered up as info on here is only a tiny part of the story.

That doesn’t change the fact that if you think what’s going on in a marriage based on snippets from a heavily agenda’d media, you’re an idiot.

sussexroyal.com/funding/

So still planning on keeping Royal security and living in Frogmore cottage rent free.

Plus earning from their titles if they fancy it, but not doing the hard work.

That doesn’t change the fact that if you think what’s going on in a marriage based on snippets from a heavily agenda’d media, you’re an idiot.

Which you do.

Sussexroyal.com:
"The goal is to focus on what connects us".

Dear Harry and Megs,

The only thing that connects me and you two, is my hard work and earnings pay for your lazy, preaching lifestyle.

Focus on that. Give us back our money.

Which you do.

I challenge you to find a quote from me that indicates I know anything about the state of their marriage.

See this is the bit that always confuses me if it was her plan - why. Why on earth would she want it. She had (in actress terms) a fairly lucrative career which she could have continued and a set of very good friends. Barring a husband and a family she had everything she wanted in Canada.

Why on earth would she want to give that up to join the royal family. I know which one I would pick.

Which is why I think it is Harry who is driving this he has seen what she has in Canada, a lifestyle that he is on board with and friends who support her. Not the network he has here where they all cling to him. I think as well the rumours regarding his brother are true and as for the stuff with his Uncle. And he doesnt want it anymore and who can blame him

They have however gone about it the wrong way

Good for them. All the press coverage this is getting proves why they might want to leave the family and royal life.... everyone wants a piece of them and thinks they’re entitled to it because “we pay for them”.

And I think “working towards financial independence” means untangling themselves from the complicated structure of the Civil List and the security needed to keep them safe that is probably funded by Granny at the moment. I think we should just read “independence” as apposed to “financial independence”. She could easily work again and make decent money, I don’t think she would be short of offers.

I suspect Harry has never liked it much and marrying an American who’s worked and lived in the outside world all her life has opened his eyes about what the world could be for him. I think too that she’s from a pretty dysfunctional family and they’re both determined to not replicate their own families mistakes. I suspect she has no interest in being a part of a family that includes a nonce of an uncle, a father and brother who (allegedly in the case of the brother) cheat on their wives and a whole wider family who facilitated the abuse and death of her husbands mother. Oh and not to mention the fact that the whole family can’t really work properly at anything real and the wives in particular are forced to give up their talents and ambitions to be walking mannequins who pop out the occasional sprog. I also suspect that Harry has had his eyes opened by her about his family, who if they weren’t rich would he like something off of Jeremy Kyle.

Also, all the vitriol about Harry being thick, who the fuck cares? He might be a total div, he still seems like a nice man and doesn’t deserve to be called out on his lack of academic ability so rudely. Just another example of how people think they own his soul because he’s part of a family “we pay for”.

And for what it’s worth, I’m a staunch Republican, no time for any of them and think we should abolish the RF as soon as possible.... but even I can’t support the fucking nastiness and nonsense they get slung at them for daring to not tow some weird, conservative, 1930s line.

Quartz2208

I can see why it confuses any of us. To normal people, this doesn't make sense. Because normal people dont behave like this. But is she normal?
Narcissm. Ego. Self-obsession. Hunger for fame. Deluded to think she is central to the world. Narcissim. More narcissm. That's what does this.

She's been married three times, two very short marriages and this one - well, time will tell. She was barely known for a low-level tv series. She lied about how she was funded through university and has wiped her father out of her life. She falls out with people far more, and with far more extreme outcomes, than most. Mental health professionals would look for a pattern of behaviour.

Devereux1

havent you just described though quite a few members of the Royal Family as well?

3 marriages?

Quartz2208
havent you just described though quite a few members of the Royal Family as well?

Ha! I can certainly think of one member, yes, perhaps without quite the same mania for fame though; prestige perhaps instead. I think a couple of others possess elements. But for them to create the start-to-finish disaster they have, and in answer to your original question, I think this is what is behind her plan.

I get the impression he’d be off sharpish if he could

No, he's not allowed to think for himself, it has to be the Klingon's decision.

my point is though surely it is THEIR plan. Why do we have Prince Harry as the victim in all of this?

It goes a little unnoticed I think in the high level royals because well they are the high level royals used to everyone pandering to them (I heard Miriam Margoyles story about the Queen on This Morning which was telling) but the main one I think we are both thinking off holds the same position as Harry and I think that is a difficult position to be in.

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Quartz2208
my point is though surely it is THEIR plan.

Ok, but you asked about her plan. Their plan? He's not bright, he's been desperate to have something to show for his life as a "spare", everyone around him including cousins are moving forward and achieving things, whereas he has just lived the life of a playboy and got a couple of charity gigs handed on a plate to him to head up. He's never actually had to do anything, or start anything, or be responsible for anything. Getting hitched quickly to someone different from across the pond brought the attention that he craves, made it look like he'd finally done something and created something, and I think he honestly believed all the rubbish his advisers and some media has been telling him - that he's the coolest royal, the public loves him etc. He thought they were going to be adored and admired everywhere they went, no matter how badly they behave. But they weren't.

Why do we have Prince Harry as the victim in all of this?
I don't think anyone is saying that, are they? I'm not! He got himself into this mess and brought this mess to our nation.

Focus on that. Give us back our money

If, if, that ever happened what benefit do you think you’d see in your day to day life? The idea that cash (which is a drop in the ocean in the country’s budget) would actually end up benefiting wider society is laughable.

I’m pretty neutral about the royal family, makes no odds to me either way, but you’re massively distracted from the real waste and corruption in this country if you think the money spent on the royal family is the problem. The problem/s are much lower down the totem pole of social hierarchy.