To think Harry wants to Have his cake and eat it

[Lardlizard]

If you want to leave fine, goodbye
But you can’t be half in half out !

Protection costs £600k, they were getting £2 million but that’s going due to not being senior royals anymore.

I always want to have my cake and eat it.

It all feels a bit like a facebook flounce. And I'm afraid I take a dim view of people who announce their social media tantrums.

I wonder how long until they announce their return to us?

Poor Archie.

I loved Suits and I loved Rachel in Suits. But Rachel was a super smart beautiful lawyer from a very wealthy background, no way would she have settled for someone as thick, spoilt and useless as Harry even with a title. Meghan is smarter, better looking, is ambitous and has had a successful career (earning millions is successful for the pedantic), what does Harry bring to that picnic except a title which may soon go?

William and Kate often travel as a family. If they had a fatal plane/car accident as a family, then Harry would be next in-line after Charles - this does need to be considered by both the Royal Family and Harry.

No, he wouldn't. George, Charlotte and Louis come after William and before Harry in the line of succession. Obviously they are still minors so a regent would be needed for state duties, but that wouldn't have to be the next one in line - Edward could step in, for example, or one of the York princesses.

This is exactly my point. In what other circs would you tell someone they don’t have a great career because they’re not Bill Gates? Or that they’re mediocre because Elon Musk doesn’t want their job?

It’s just downright shitty to undermine and underplay people’s achievements.

I go by what people have done in their careers and what they've achieved. No not everyone will be a ceo because that's not possible, but acting is different to say working for the civil service. In acting for work, you have to get jobs, and get roles in new movies or shows. Or retain them. You're competing constantly against other people, and not usually in nice ways especially for the womem. It's way more competitive than other industries, and nasty at times.

Being in say the civil service, healthcare, shop work etc you're judged on your abilities to do the job. Do a good job, you're having a great career. Do a bad job, not a great career. You may progress or not, but if you're still doing your job well, you've got a great career.

... and I don't know that Harry 'stepping down' is tantamount to renouncing his place in the line of succession.

No, he wouldn't. George, Charlotte and Louis come after William and before Harry in the line of succession.

I think the point is that William and Kate often travel "as a family" i.e. with their kids.

They flew to Balmoral on the same Flybe flight for example and are often photographed in a car together. It's not totally outwith the realms of possibility that something tragic could happen to the entire Cambridge family.

Harry renouncing his title would presumably create a bit of a constitutional headache in that case.

Thinking about this- I really feel it was the Queens portrait of her, William, Charles & George that tipped them over. Harry would have been stung and hurt as no matter its showing the lines to the throne, imagine your family had an official portrait with your grandma, sibling, dad and nephew but leaving you out. I bet Meghan then homed in on his hurt and used this to angle her demands on releasing this statement. Also timed to be the day before Kate's 38 birthday as they knew that would completely overshadow her.

People keep saying Harry didnt choose to be part of the Royal family. Its true

He did choose to remain part of it.

When he turned 18/21
When he was in the army
Everyday science he came of age
Even when he got engaged, he chose to have a big Royal wedding

Meghan chose to marry into it. They could have stepped back before.

She chose it everyday since.

Ah, I see, thank you Cohle.

So if all the Cambridges were wiped out and Harry did renounce his place in the line of succession, assuming that Andrew would never be allowed to do it either ... Beatrice might want to start polishing her tiara!

Thinking about this- I really feel it was the Queens portrait of her, William, Charles & George that tipped them over. Harry would have been stung and hurt as no matter its showing the lines to the throne, imagine your family had an official portrait with your grandma, sibling, dad and nephew but leaving you out.

Presumably no more hurt than Anne, Andrew and Edward though?

They are the future monarchs. The photo is a historic portrait not a family snap.

For people saying they should pay for their own protection - it doesn't work like that. They get it as they assessed as being a target (which of course they are).

Any random MN individual that has a similar threat profile would also get protection. You can refuse it of course (as Diana did after her divorce) but you can't pay for the Met costs yourself. Private security is an option but no where near as effective as the MPS and of course in this country couldn't carry firearms.

If harry has grown up in the royal family and seen his arse over photos of the direct heirs and current Queen, he needs to grow.

This is exactly what people mean. Happy to take the money and the plus points. Unhappy when he sees a photo that shows the facts. He isnt direct hier.

Archie doesnt have a title. Not sure why they would then keep their own.

They get it as they assessed as being a target (which of course they are).
Yes, I think we know that.

Any random MN individual that has a similar threat profile would also get protection.
Oh come on, of course we wouldn't.

Since we as a nation tend to spend money protecting people who are important to the country, and this couple's importance to the nation has been decreasing with every month and will probably disappear completely now, is it really a matter for the nation now if they're targets or not?

What difference to our lives does their existence actually make?

Which begs the questions:
1.

You don’t know a single thing about their marriage and the dynamics of it.

I didnt say it was abusive. I am saying from the outside, if this was a normal couple people would be saying theres potential abuse.

But dont bother reading what people write. Its easier to be outraged then.

Ooops, delete the bottom bit!

They went away for 6 weeks. No one even knew where they were

Maybe not, but they've now got a pretty good idea what they spent the time on

Among all the noise and fury I imagine the Middletons will be laughing up their sleeves - after all, barring a few silly photos and and some inane publications, at least they managed to turn out 3 kids who behave decently on the whole

Harry is an incredibly rich person in his own right - he inherited princess Diana's entire estate - they are not going to be short of money. Currently he receive 5% of his income from the state and 95% from Prince Charles inherited income of which he will also be inheriting a part and until then Prince Charles can do what he wants with his own inherited money.

They are no different to many other landed gentry or incredibly rich people - their children live off the wealth owned by the entire family just topped up from any earnings. Until we limit the amount of money the mega rich hold this is the way it will be.

He is simply stepping back from Royal Duties and giving up the 5% - he is perfectly entitled to do this and as a mature consenting adult he does not need to talk to his Grandmother first - or even his dad or brother - even if it is felt that would be more polite as it would be if anyone walked away from the family firm

They will need security and this is not their fault - Harry did not ask to born a Royal just as we provide security to a PM's children etc.

We have no idea if all this talk of rifts has been because they have been talking about this within the family for months - we will never now.

As an aside do you not think Harry would be great to head up the Duke of Edinburghs award scheme going forward - there will be a vacancy in the not too distant future.

As an aside do you not think Harry would be great to head up the Duke of Edinburghs award scheme going forward - there will be a vacancy in the not too distant future.

The DOE title and patronage of the scheme have been earmarked for Edward for donkey's years, so unlikely to change.

Agree.
They should have either ditched the titles or sucked it up.

This is exactly what people mean. Happy to take the money and the plus points. Unhappy when he sees a photo that shows the facts

You do understand you’re stating a completely fabricated scenario as fact? In some areas life people would be concerned about your grip on reality.

Cohle but the fact it was Harry's only sibling- his brother, his dad, his brothers son and grand,ma but not him must have stung. I know its a "historic portrait" I'm just trying to imagine what has lead to them making such a dramatic decision and in the way they have/now. To us they are all just famous monarchs, but they are a family. Sibling rivalry is huge as any of us with brothers/sisters know and the often obsession between siblings that everything is equal and fair- Harry might well have felt very hurt to be left out when all his other closest family are included and is perhaps he feels- tired of living in his brothers and his kids shadow.

i am saying from the outside, if this was a normal couple people would be saying theres potential abuse.

I know what you’re saying.

Anyone speculating on potential abuse in a marriage of people they’ve never clapped eyes on in real life, spoken to, or know anything about apart from through the lens of the press, is an idiot.

Among all the noise and fury I imagine the Middletons will be laughing up their sleeves - after all, barring a few silly photos and and some inane publications, at least they managed to turn out 3 kids who behave decently on the whole

Don't know yet though if their kid will behave badly though do we? He's still only a baby.

Plus Williams kids could go off the rails too. Likely will too at some point from the pressure.