To think Harry wants to Have his cake and eat it

[Lardlizard]

If you want to leave fine, goodbye
But you can’t be half in half out !

I was discussing the SA documentary with my 20 year old.

I think it an example of the mismatch between Californian, as a shorthand stereotype, and an older style UK thinking I was steeped in. I have family connections in SoCal so this is probably why it struck me this way.

Uk reticence, plus a class based tall poppy syndrome, just baulks at the perceived self indulgence of "whingeing". Self esteem movement says honesty is first step to growth.

I felt quite smugly even handed until I went onto the glossy website. Just beyond parody use of photos with Queen and inspirational queenly quotes with gushing corporate jargon-prose. I was oddly riled. And that's just another tiny example of mismatch in expectations.

Anyway I wish them all well. Intergenerational family issues can be worked through.

Piers Morgan getting miffed has been quite funny.

Bright, compassionate people don’t talk to poverty stricken people with complex lives about their own problems.

She wasn't talking to poverty stricken people about her own problems. She was talking to a British journalist who was working for the BBC and who asked the question.

The knives are out but I am with Brian Cathcart: people are forgetting that Meghan is currently suing the Mail group and Harry is suing the Mirror for phone hacking when Piers Morgan was editor.
Press invasion, media lies and distortion, I do not blame them in the slightest for buggering off to Canada. Why the hell should they have to put up with tabloid bollocks on a daily basis. I would also think shit to it. Good on them.

At least they're making the effort to be financially independent. Meghan is a millionaire in her own right, it won't take them much effort.
Harry never chose this life, he was born into it and funnily enough, he doesn't like it.
Who could blame him? His mum was harassed to death and now his wife is being hounded.
Heard the phrase, if you don't like it then leave? Well that's what they're doing! And respect to them for doing it.
If I don't like me job then I quit 🤷🏻‍♀️

Why shouldn't she be honest and express that the Establishment care little about her personal well being

Because it’s embarrassing? Because it’s absurd to complain about her problems like this in a public forum. One thing she actually said was the adapting to the struggle of being a NEWLYWED! What the fuck is a newlywed as a difficult role??

It shows a HUGE lack of sensitivity and understanding to say such stupid shit. Rich peoples have problems - I am rich myself. But I don’t whine and bitch about insignificant problems around people who have it much worse. She gave an interview aired to the whole of the UK, many of whom will have been watching, open-mouthed, at the audacity to complain because she hasn’t been asked if she’s ok.

Airing dirty laundry of the Royal Family is a no-no. That’s what she signed up for - NOT doing that type of attention seeking shit.

I can’t believe that anyone falls for her appalling act.

For example, how many people know that H&M have withdrawn from the Royal Rota and effectively told the media to fuck off? Very very few.

@BonnesVacances Your post is hilarious and also total rubbish. It has been talked about in many media outlets - here’s just two examples:

www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/08/prince-harry-and-meghan-to-restrict-media-access-in-snub-to-tabloids

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7866707/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-bitter-parting-shot-British-media.html

In fact, reading about it in the press was where I first heard about it!

They aren’t strictly quitting though, are they? They are going to leverage their royal titles to make money. Hence all the trademarking they did 10 months ago.

I am rich myself. But I don’t whine and bitch about insignificant problems around people who have it much worse.

Presumably you never complain about anything then because if you are rich there will always be people nearby who have it much worse.

Heard the phrase, if you don't like it then leave? Well that's what they're doing! And respect to them for doing it

I dont think anyone has a problem with them quitting. They should quit if they hate it so much. What people have a problem with is this half arsed "stepping back" whilst still benefitting from their titles. If they really want to quit then give the titles back and properly step down which means giving up all your benefits. They have 34 million or something- they can be fully independent now if they so wish- so why dont they do that now?

Using your own analogy- noone quits their job yet still expects to be paid a salary every month and noone quits their job yet still expects to keep the benefits of the job like private health insurance etc. If you quit your job, any benefits or money from that job STOP. That is the point.

I don’t blame them me at all for wanting out, but yeah, if they want to step back from the role then they have to step back from all of the role, not just the work.

It would have been much more of a statement if he’d renounced his titles, said he wanted himself and his child removed from the line of succession and given up all perks and money relating to his position. It’s not like he can’t go it alone, between Diana and the Queen Mother he inherited over 40 million, which is properly invested should be much more than that now.

Presumably you never complain about anything then because if you are rich there will always be people nearby who have it much worse

There are very few people I would actually ever complain to, genuinely. It would be completely insensitive in my position to complain to a number of my friends. Most problems CAN be fixed with money. No matter what anyone says. If Meghan is struggling she has ample money for therapy and breaks, time off. there is no need to attempt to garner sympathy and attention by complaining.

And it’s worse because she is complaining ABOUT the royal family.

She is not Diana. She walked into this knowing exactly what it entailed. She did it because of the fame and she got what she wanted and is now happy to leave as she does not want to follow the rules - hurts her ego. 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would have been much more of a statement if he’d renounced his titles, said he wanted himself and his child removed from the line of succession and given up all perks and money relating to his position

This.

There are very few people I would actually ever complain to, genuinely. It would be completely insensitive in my position to complain to a number of my friends.

She wasn't complaining to the people in poverty though. She was complaining to a British journalist about the British press for a UK documentary. The people living in poverty weren't there. It is similar to complaining to your friends whilst being near (but out of earshot) to be who are worse off.

I do think plans have been in motion for big changes to the monarchy involving the slimming down of senior roles and titles. H & M have just upset the firm by getting in there first and having the audacity to plan their own future (good on them) instead of waiting around.

They should be allowed to go and be wished well. Forgive me if I'm wrong but Wednesday night I think it was, 176 innocent people killed in a plane crash in a country on the brink of war with one of our biggest Allies, and ITV headline was H&M. The world has more pressing matters than this couple (Brexit, Australia, Iran) they should go quietly and fairly.

I think the issue is that they still want to remain Royal but be allowed to remove the barrier of making money for themselves. Finance has been one of Meghans biggest issue with the media reporting how much her outfits, trip to NY cost etc. I believe if she's seen to make her own money she will be able to spend how she wishes without the criticisms of spending tax payers money (she might also not want to spend tax payers money- there's a thought). However I don't believe they should be profiting from the HRH title (selling hoodies, getting paid for interviews etc).

I certainly don't feel 'hurt' we are loosing our prince but I do feel that the timing could've been better. I do feel this is a battle between the RF and the press and the general public who have mainly welcomed Meghan and were looking forward to what changes to certain attitudes she could bring to the country.

• I do feel this is a battle between the RF and the press, and the general public who have mainly welcomed Meghan and were looking forward to what changes to certain attitudes she could bring to the country have been sidelined.

They are not chiding the press one to one though, they were broadcasting. It will irritate a fair proportion of the uk audience.

She was complaining to a British journalist about the British press for a UK documentary

Yes, and many of the UK are worse off than her. Basically everyone is. The point of it being amidst all the poverty is it made her look even more removed from reality/self-centred. Here are all these people with real problems. Here is me in the next shot whinging about how hard my life is with my millions. Which I chose.

I'm not rich - far from it! I watched it and was not offended in that way. Yes for all her wealth and privilege I think she was justified to answer honestly as she did. I'm not on the side who thinks you have to put up and shut up just because you have chosen to enter that life. She just proved that for all the money in world there is still unhappiness and mental health issues.

Mrshoho its not about being on sides, its called public relations. It's an interview not a therapeutic relationship.

ffs an interview where she gave an honest answer. Well blow me down, how outrageous and very improper.

Meghan has gone to Canada to be with Archie so they flew back to launch their business tell the queen to fuck off all in the space of a week I am assuming Harry will scuttle over once he has secured their "titles"

I am astounded that Meghan has gone back to Canada immediately and that Archie didn't come back with his parents at all. Surely she should be here sorting out the problems with her husband and working on a way to move forward?
I would echo the comments of all who have said that if they wanted to withdraw from public life, give up the titles and the money and live on their not in considerable capital whilst doing good works I would admire them immensely.
Are there matrimonial problems too?

I would be prepared to bet anything that her answer was not honest in the least! I’m
Sure she’s perfectly bloody fine and just wants to be perceived a certain way. Eg, as a victim
Of
The big, bad, mean royal family.

It’s an interview as a PP said, not a therapy session. Pretty improper, yes, given her position in the RF and what they stand for.

it is all just so melodramatic isn't it ?