To think Harry wants to Have his cake and eat it

[Lardlizard]

If you want to leave fine, goodbye
But you can’t be half in half out !

They think they Are victims they aren’t. Disgraceful behaviour.

@Devereux1

Yes exactly - as I said; not sure why you would do it unless trying to make a point!

The contempt they show for everyone has been staggering.
The entire nation, the Queen, Charles, William, Kate, Beatrice.
They make grand pronouncements on what the world must do, then hypocritically go and do the same thing a thousand times worse.
They moan and whinge and complain whilst living a life of privilege and entitlement making the handful of duties they carried out all about them, not the people or the cause they were there for.

If I was an organisation with them as patrons, I'd cancel them immediately. The Queen needs to strip them of all their titles. The Queen and Charles should cancel all their funding and properties, every single penny - they have £34m for god's sake, they won't starve.

Sussex the county should have the biggest set of celebrations ever. We, the nation, don't want a half-in half-out pair prancing around the world preaching to us, waving to us whilst pocketing money and celebrity based on their half-role. It's just not tenable.

Kick them out 100%.

The vitriol on these threads is awful. If I were them I'd be going somewhere out of the public eye.

It's so weird how bitter some people are towards them. Really brings out a really nasty aspect of human nature and makes you realise how easily manipulated people are by the press.

^This.

Honestly people are sooooo thick! It doesn't occur to them at all that what they "know" about H&M is via the press and and how they've chosen to report it.

For example, how many people know that H&M have withdrawn from the Royal Rota and effectively told the media to fuck off? Very very few. And why's that? Because the media don't want to tell you that they're incandescent with rage about that and this is all a big tantrum on their part. So it's not part of the story.

https://sussexroyal.com/media/

They are likely to end up pretty isolated, and that could make stress and mh issues worse rather than improve them. If you think of the current generation of royal children, the Cambridges, Tindalls and even more peripherals like Sophie Winkleman's daughter are often pictured at the same events, usually outdoors and polo/equestrian related, and are educated similarly. Meghan and newborn Archie attended one event last summer where Harry played polo but I wonder if Meghan does not really share such interests. If they do decide to only have one child he would see relatively little of his cousins. And what of the global conscience of less flying miles to maintain this split lifestyle.

There was no way Meghan was going to meekly join the Royal Family and respect them ultimately she disagrees with their privilege through birth.

So instead of her becoming a 'princess', in the firm, she has dominated and Harry has instead become a Hollywood husband. Harry was always going to be open to being taken away from it all. And of course there had been talk that Diana was going to have a new life in the States.

And this has been the plan for a long while, if they registered that web domain over a year ago.

The public lack of respect for the Queen is, I think, unpleasant. Also the reported rage over the Queen's lovely Xmas photos with her son, grandson and great grandson. If Harry and Archie has actually been here, I'm sure they could have had their own photos with their (great) grandmother.

Personally I think the trading in the US off the royal name is really bad taste and I'm surprised Harry doesn't see that.

I don't think it's Harry who wants to have his cake and eat it - he's clearly dominated by Meghan. She's like a bulldozer and what she wants, she gets. She wants a turbo version of her original life - the kudos and ultimate status of 'being a Royal' but not actually being part of it contributing to the firm in any way they would ask - making it up herself and living Stateside, doing whatever she likes. Basically using their name.

She would no doubt say 'for charitable good' but it's still a dirty move that shows real lack of respect for them.

I think her aspiration is to be Hollywood royalty. Like George and Amal. But actually Amal is a genuinely dedicated human rights lawyer. Not an actress in a popular Netflix series. Enough said.

Where is this racist abuse people keep referencing? Can anyone link to any racist stories in ANY newspaper

Harry's girl is (almost) straight outta Compton* Daily fail linkk

For example, how many people know that H&M have withdrawn from the Royal Rota and effectively told the media to fuck off? Very very few

Everyone who reads the DM online knows - Piers Morgan wrote about it. Not sure how that’s very, very few given the huge readership.

BonnesVacances

How does that article you have linked to state that Markle is inferior because of her race?

The stuff about the royal rota is on their website , it goes on and on and on about it actually. This stuff about stepping back from the public eye is ridiculous , it is very clear from their website that this is about increasing their public profile by freeing themselves from the royal family’s control. They also clearly want to monetise their capital as evidenced by the numerous trademarks and patents that they have secured.

Far from stepping away from public life get ready for an explosion of publicity

Also, comments calling people bitter etc for disliking them are so stupid - of course people don’t like them. It has nothing to do with bitterness.

I love Kate and Wills - I don’t begrudge them their lovely clothes, wonderful home and everything else that goes along with that, which we fund. Why? Because they do the things they are supposed to do in what is an exceptionally privileged position. They respect that. They respect the queen.

Expecting people to fund you - lavish wedding, house; security, whilst sticking a huge middle finger up to those people, as well as the institution you are in, is just fucking rude. People don’t like it.

Perhaps they (or Meghan) were concerned that they wouldn't be permitted to allowed to take Archie out of the country again...that he's potentially too high up in the succession to be allowed to be raised abroad. This is likely one of those "issues" the palace is concerned with.

I recall that Diana's intial media-based pr battles were in response to it looking like her children would be taken away by the Crown to be raised by Charles et al. As had happened to Diana's own mother when her own parents divorced (children "awarded" to Lord Spencer).

Leaving Archie in Canada was strategic and the safest option.

Perhaps they (or Meghan) were concerned that they wouldn't be permitted to allowed to take Archie out of the country again

Oh please. I suspect that’s the victim
Card they will be playing - but as if the Royal Family would create so much drama in 2019 with social media and the ability for Meghan and Harry to cause real problems and stir up huge trouble. And for what? The kid is no where near the throne.

*2020

Quite frankly with such a pair of narcissists for parents I wouldn’t blame HM if she did step in with Archie. She wouldn’t but I wouldn’t blame her.

How does that article you have linked to state that Markle is inferior because of her race?

It doesn't state she's inferior. Is that your only understanding of what racism is? No wonder you're .

Perhaps you could ask:

Why is her race relevant to the article? (It isn't)
Why use a Niggers With Attitude song title for a headline?
Is the information in the article correctly presented to provide an accurate picture of the neighbourhood she's from? (It isn't)
Why the article at all?

Do some research about casual racism and have a think whether you think that the article implies negative associations with her race.

'Personally I think the trading in the US off the royal name is really bad taste and I'm surprised Harry doesn't see that.'

Yes. As a pp said Princess Margaret managed to live away from a senior royal role very well, they want to hang on to the royal name for their own benefit and no one else's. They want to be VIPs yet on their own terms.

I feel sorry for Harry, he seems so weak and petulant. If (or when) the marriage ends he'll be a broken man and will continue to blame everyone else.

Archie is miles away from the throne, theres Charles, Wills, George, Charlotte and Louis all in the line first. So after Harry, Archie is 7th in line.

He's grown up with the continual sniggering and questioning of his parentage. He had to walk behind his mother's coffin in front of millions of people at a v young age knowing her death came about during a high speed car journey trying to outrun the paparazzi. When he found love and married he then watched as they went for his new wife even when she was pregnant. The RF have already indicated there will be streamlining and Harry is now way down in the line of succession. So what would his role have been even if they hadn't made this decision? I think in these circumstances they are more than entitled to decide for themselves their future. Good luck to them I say. The way people go on as if the Queen/PC/PW makes all these decisions when in fact it is the establishment and advisers behind the scenes. Well done Harry for sticking 2 fingers up.

Presumably Archie has dual nationality?

Well done Harry for sticking 2 fingers up

In an ideal world he would have done this before the taxpayers funding an obscene wedding and house renovation.

BonnesVacances
How does that article you have linked to state that Markle is inferior because of her race?
It doesn't state she's inferior.

Oh. Then how is it racist?

Is that your only understanding of what racism is?
The main one. Since that's been the definition of racism for decades. That is what racism is.

No wonder you're confused.
I'm glad you understand why anyone would be confused at you posting an article claiming it's racist but admit there is no racism in it.

I do feel sorry for Harry for what he has been through with losing his mum, I can see why he might have a hang up about the press and be worried about the same thing happening to his wife, but as others have said, yes it’s fine for him to completely step back if he wants to, it’s his life and should be his choice, but they can’t pick and chose which privileges they keep. If they want to be completely financially independent then great, be completely financially independent and foot all of your bills. I think you’re either in or your out, and to say they will collaborate with the queen as if doing her a favour is a bit conceited!

Why couldn’t they just be like the Gloucesters ( he worked as an architect and incidently their daughter married a New Zealander of Maori heritage so Harry was not the first in the family to marry a person of colour ) or the Kent’s or closer to home the Wessex’s or Princess Anne .

The reason why they don’t want to do this is because they want to be able to trade off the royal name and make money to fund their independence . Maybe this will be fine but the complication which the Americans in particular seem not to understand is that the Royal family has a constitutional and political role as well as just being a celebrity family .

In not too many years Harry will be the son of the King and then the only brother of the King . What happens when he endorses a product or an organisation which the UK government does not or which conflicts with the UK governments policy . This is why I think they need to be in or out , if they want to completely free of Royal restrictions they will need to cut all official ties. I think Princess Madeleine of Sweden has done something similar , they are still family obviously but her children and her husband have become non royal in official terms .