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New housemate

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NewYearsRevolution2020 · 04/01/2020 19:25

We are 4 people living in a 3 bed terrace. One of th edownstairs living rooms is used as a bedroom - the other living room is shared living space.

New hsemate has moved a lot of big furniture and her stuff into shared living room and 'designed' it so it has gone from a bare but spacious room with a sofa, bookcase and some bits and pieces to a very clutterd room with desk, wardrobe, paintings on wall, wall hangings, etc. The two bikes that are used in the house are also keot in there. We also use it hang our washing when it is drying.

The romm is no longer usable in any practical sense - it is too clutterd to realx in and some of the furniture is so cumbersome it just makes you want to close the door. I have been here a long time, she has been here 6 months and did this without saying anything to anyone. Other hsemates are new, dont have much stuff and havent said anything.

She has also done the same to the garden. I mentioned several times that I want to do veg. She planted flowers all over the borders, and in every single space in the harden and left me a narrow space about 3 inches wide to use.

In her defence she is enthusiastic and some of here stuff is nice but when I look in the drawers and cupboards in the living room (it's for us all!) it is full of her stuff. She has also taken a huge cupboard upstairs that is originally for everyone.

She is not easy to approach, has seemingly already got te other female housemate eating out of her hand. She is not here much but I just feel she has used the communal spaces as a dumping ground for her stuff at our expense.

I have a large room so keep everything up here but feel that I shouldn't have to keep my fixed exercise bike/printer. etc in my room if we have lost the living room to her stuff.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Wilding · 22/02/2020 21:22

Honestly, I would disengage from her as much as possible - I can understand where you're coming from with those messages but try not to let her know she's getting to you! Just give minimal, polite answers.

I know what it's like living with toxic housemates so I feel your pain - you just need to grit your teeth and get through it! It's not you so stop trying to analyse everything. I would really recommend trying to find a different type of house share next time round - the kind where the housemates choose who to rent rooms to as a group (based on interview) rather than just renting an individual room. It doesn't eliminate housemate arguments and problems but it does make it more likely that you'll end up with 'your' sort of people. I'm still friends with most of the 15+ people I shared with in my 30s!

Therebythedoor · 22/02/2020 21:25

I liked the suggestion to her that maybe one of the other housemates would be interested in moving into your room. She has no consideration or boundaries... it's all about her, her, her, her!

longtimecomin · 22/02/2020 21:28

YANBU, she is taking the piss, speak to the landlord immediately.

Therebythedoor · 22/02/2020 21:30

I think I'd enjoy winding her up tbh, if you have the appetite for not letting her get every single thing her way. Personally, I'd enjoy making myself a bit of a thorn in her side, but only you know if you could put up with her possible response. She's having a go at you and, frankly, being an overbearing bitch, without cause - I doubt she'll stop even if you keep your head below the proverbial parapet and ignore her nettling.

cstaff · 22/02/2020 21:59

Rather than relying to her only you should think about copying her messages onto the house emails and send your reply to all. That way they get to see how she is treating you and may see her for what she really is. It might also put an end to her horrible messages once she realises that everyone gets to see them. Might be worth a shot.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:00

Thank you @There @Wilding

I think there is a part of me that is worried it's me as there were two previous tenants that left and their behaviour, in the end, was horrible and I don't know why it is happening.

The first was a guy who was here when I moved in. He was a stand up comedian by day, library porter by night. He was off sick most of the time and seemed to b having a nervous breakdown of sorts. The landlady was occasionally here so one of the rooms was left free for her. its a cold, small room. There was another young woman here who had been in the house about 4 months but was out most of the time.

I was out at work every day but after a while it was noticeable that his behaviour became erratic and like a kind of controlled irritation.

He did zero cleaning but continuously acted as though he was in charge. The other woman fawned over him a bit as she was in her 20s but he was younger than me and and I thought he was quite fake. He became increasingly unreasonable and another woman moved in .The garden had been badly neglected and over grown for some years with piles of rubbish. I cleared everything and carefully weeded around the landladys plants. She told me that she had spent a lot of time getting everything in place and not to take the plants out just the weeds. I was happy to tidy up what I could as I wanted to get the
garden ready for summer. This is a very cheap house in London and so, while its not perfect I am happy to take a view that I will do what I can. Landlady was never here so another woman moved in. I think in hindsight, that this guy who had low social confidence and seemed to be struggling in London (and later told us he had just spent 15 years smoking marijuana)struggled to then go from a house where he was largely on his own to living with 3 people full time.

Some strange things happened then. He came on a bit strong to the new woman and she manipulated him a bit I think. I kept out until I came home and saw they had ripped everything out of the garden - all the plants, all my pots of herbs that I had grown, all the shrubs and fruit trees.

Landlady came by a few weeks later and commented on how nice the garden looked.

I was stunned as I had done all the work to look after it and they had just ripped everything out and she said nothing.

There started to be big rows between him and this woman - she stood up to him and they clashed badly.

The first woman left and we got a guy in. He seemed ok, easy going, pulled his weight. Eventually the first guys behaviour deteriorated so much I contacted landlady who at this point was going through a personal crisis of her own. Guy became irrational, paranoid and aggressive. One day did something so bizarre i left thinking he has lost it and tried to have no further engagement with him. He started going to Thailand (off work) and met someone out there and then moved out for good. When he left we got a young woman in - all good, got on very well with her and then guy started playing up. Complained about cleaning but he wasn't doing any. He then hid a camera in the kitchen and recorded us (I wrote about this on another thread). He had become increasingly belligerent to me and used to twist everything to 'neg'. I ignored it, got on with other girl and our 4th tenant moved in who left after 6 months because he wasn't cleaning. So this is where this latest girl comes in. She moved in.

I had huge reservations about someone moving in whilst there was guy who had recorded us here. I spoke to the police about what I culd do and they advised I speak to landlady as it was up to her. I wrote down clearly what had happened but one of the girls who had lived here asked to come back for the summer with her boyfriend so I felt as long as there was another guy around we would be OK - and that as the landlady had not supported me with aggressive first guy and was not going to do anything about camera guy, I didn't know what I could do.

So, landlady now has a new commitment. Camera guy moved out in December. The irrational lady got worse, two new people move in and all seems fine until living room sage.

Why have I stayed. When this started I went to the dr with some simple problems that have turned out to need complete examination with several consultants. For one year I was on bed rest exercises. I have broken my hip and am huge amounts of pain and on lots of medicine. I did not know what was the best thing to do as I am getting a lot of support from the dr and local physio hospital plus the central London hospitals and really felt so weak I couldn't do much. I am getting things in shape now but deep down, feel like my head is wrecked.

It is a bizarre situation to be in and I can't help but feel the landlady should appoint a management company to sort these things out. She relies on me to smooth things over but has been no support when it is crucial so I have backed back. If there is a problem in the house I always say to take it to her and try not to get too engaged as I am emotionally wraught out.

Thank you if you have followed this far. I know it is convoluted and probably doesn't make sense. I have such panic attacks and am so frustrated that it feels as though I don't warrant support or to be treated with respect.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:04

@cstaff Yes, I insisted on this. I think it is very suspect that she sends chatty, breezy messages to the house but then the tone alters with messages only I see.

I replied to tonights message about moving everything to the house mail and she said she will when xxxx is back from her work assignment as she doesnt want to disturb her.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:07

I cam define one thing clearly - these three difficult people all had huge egos. The first guy was shocking. I didn't feed their egos as it is not something I would think to do so I think that is part of it.

The quiet, studious ones I get on with.

The people in the middle I usually get on with in a typical housemate way but I don't think they would ever behave in and aggressive or underhand way.

I am just about holding my own here.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:12

I think that I am ok about leaving as I am disappointed with landlady tbh

quicktan · 22/02/2020 22:19

Can you tr to Kerry busy with other things? Shes sucking out your energy!

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:22

@quicktan I think they all have!

I have a room to pack up and have organised storage so that will keep me busy. I have job applications, etc and I need to visit my very sick mum.

I haven't even let myself acknowledge that.

MissChardonnay · 22/02/2020 22:23

Didn't you post this exact same thread and reply a while back?

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:25

@MissChardonnay - about the guy with the camera in the kitchen? Yes but he left in Dec.

Moomin12345 · 22/02/2020 22:28

Sharing a living space with strangers after one's early 20s is hell. This situation should motivate you to chance your circumstances.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:35

@Moomin12345 I'm doing my best!

EachandEveryone · 22/02/2020 22:43

I wish people would realise if We could all live on our own in London we would! Its not unusual to share here at any age.

Why havent you got monthly dd for all the bills? Its the easiest way.

MissChardonnay · 22/02/2020 22:46

about the guy with the camera in the kitchen? Yes but he left in December.

Doh, it was probs this exact thread. Just realised it was started almost two months ago m.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:53

@EachandEveryone

yes, that's another story!

Every time someone moves in it's like all the rules need to be changed. I'm exhausted. Normally, if you move into a house you go along with the established rules and then maybe if you can think of a better way to change one or two things, great.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:55

I have to say I experienced some thing like this hostility in my last job and I am blowed if I know whats causing it. I'm in the area I grew up in and its a typical London suburb. I missed the housing boom so rent, am very ordinary so nothing to be envious about with me.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 22:59

I'm not wrong, though am I? This is nasty behaviour and underneath it, I can sense something really vindictive.

I am fed up of feeling that I haven't found my place at this age. Its a horrible feeling of longing to settle down but knowing that you have exhausted a lot of possibilities and my spirits are running low.

TheresGonnaBeARain · 22/02/2020 23:12

Aggh that pic makes me want to come round and tell her to move it myself! Really sympathise, house sharing can be such a PITA when you end up sharing with someone awkward, and on top of that the politics of trying not to piss anyone off.... And unfortunately it's not always an option to just leave or get your own flat! Fucking awful when you end up with some inconsiderate dick.

You have no reason to feel bad about asking her to move her stuff – but get why you are wary of laying down the law, especially without other housemates to back you up. I think I would say something like

"Hi {name of annoying dick of a housemate}, you probably didn't realise but I'm going to be needing the living room clear as I'll be recovering from surgery soon and so will use that room for a while. Sorry, know it's a bit confusing when you move in somewhere new and no-one's explained what's what! We generally try to keep it clear to make sure there's room for everyone to use it for guests and laundry, so it would be better if any extra furniture is in your room. Sorry no-one told you before you hauled it all in there, what a faff! Let me know if you need a hand carrying it up or if there's anything else I can help with."

The other option could be to shift it onto the landlady and tell her she doesn't like having extra stuff in the living room, however if this person is quite pushy and the landlady apt to give in, might be better not to risk it in case she asks herself, then you're stuck!

Alternatively you could just keep moving more and more junk furniture in there and see who cracks first Grin

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 23:18

! She moved my stuff out and put in on the landing!

The problem with anything I say is she gets really hostile back and although I am calm, her reaction is unnerving.

I have tried the chatty, breezy approach as you suggest. Water off the proverbial duck. Unfortunately, she is much tougher than me.

Thank you for the suggestion, though - I appreciate it.

Asimovsfutureishere2020 · 22/02/2020 23:22

Also for the record, some of the stuff has moved from the living room and it looks liveable now - she moved the black chest out (to the loft and now there is a crack in the ceiling...).

I think I am annoyed with the mixed messages from the landlady. In 5 years here I have stuck to the rules she asked us to go by (no nails in walls, etc.) This woman has completely disregarded all that and I feel frustrated that she has turned the place into her ideal space whereas I have been a mug and kept it as landlady left it.

She has also let on that she sells on ebay hence the huge amount of stuff she has so the living room I suspect in her mind is her showroom.

TheresGonnaBeARain · 22/02/2020 23:28

Cheeky fucker! Sorry OP, I read the first page and posted, looks like I've probably missed a fair bit in between. In that case, can you just put your stuff back in? Agh it just gets exhausting though doesn't it.

You can see though that (virtually) everyone who answered your poll agreed the behaviour is out of order, so don't let it make you question yourself. She just sounds like an inconsiderate, belligerent fucker. And unfortunately some people thrive on low-level conflict. So totally get where you're coming from when you say it's exhausting. It's that thing between knowing you've every right to stick up for yourself and wondering if it's worth the hassle.

Know it doesn't help right now but you'll look back at this at some point soon and roll your eyes at the memory of this ridiculous person.

Haven't read back yet but are you moving now?

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