To ask if you think there will be a second coming?

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This is inspired by the new Netflix show Messiah, about a second coming.

I really hope this doesn’t upset or offend anyone and people can share their beliefs and thoughts openly and without prejudice or judgement as I know this can be very sensitive for some people.

Following on from —binge— watching this series I did a bit of googling and it seems both Christian and Muslim regions predict this. (Not researched if any others do yet)

I’m not very well informed about different regions but the concept of this programme has really interested me, I find it fascinating that this could, maybe? actually happen!

Do you think there could be a second coming?!

(And what would it actually mean for the world? A rise in consciousness? Mass healing???)

YABU - no don't be so daft!
YANBU - yes, this could happen, why not?!

@SirChing - not wasting your time at all, you've given people food for thought.

I agree with your theory that most people feel a bit crap about their own failings and that it's part of being human, as we all have them. The ones who never feel this self doubt are often the ones who lack self awareness or have narcissistic personalities.

I enjoyed reading about your experiences nursing people at the end of their lives. I was not present when either of my elderly parents died (I spent hours with each one close to death but timing was not in my favour), so I often wonder if seeing them in their final moments would have given me comfort that they were passing to another life, but I'll never know. Within an hour of my mother's death I returned to her room, and she looked very serene, like she was at peace, so that gave me comfort. One of the experienced nurses told me she had witnessed many spiritual, other worldy things happen during her time nursing patients at the end of their lives. I doubt that any holy book can provide me with the answers I seek, but I keep an open mind and hope to understand things better one day.

The free will aguement is the biggest load of crap from religion, basically he's said screw those in Australia it's Thier fault, screw those kids who get cancer their fault, I couldn't prey to someome so useless.

@RoseWines Thats exactly what I believe too. I always had trouble with why the prayers of kids who were being abused weren't answered when my exMIL was telling me God found her (whatever) after praying to him. It seemed totally unfair and unjust.

So I spoke to her minister about it and explained that MIL thought God answered her prayers to help find stuff but wouldn't help a child in desperate need.

He smiled and said that God didn't help my MIL find anything. Because that is interceding on Earth. And he cannot do that as it would interfere with free will. So when kids are abused God is horrified and heartbroken too, and is having to practically sit on his hands not to do something about it, but he can't. The second he intercedes, it has a butterfly effect with massive ramifications.

But God is gutted at what is happening, hears our prayers, and wants to be with us and love us, hoping that we turn to him so that we can eventually go home to him and have no more pain.

That sort of made sense to me. Satan is in charge on Earth and has corrupted man by stealth. God can't intercede and break his agreement as then we are all Satan's. Thays what was explained to me anyway.

@sirching
I think they don't WANT to believe. I have no idea why,

I dont have an issue with people's personal views.
I do find it hard to reconcile the direction Christian's are given to evangelise and 'share the good news', and at the same time being much like yourself and in not actively trying to convert folks, happy for everyone to do as they please in many regards.
I totally get why people dont WANT to believe, because it probably doesnt fit their lifestyle choices, their way of thinking, their faith(lessness), etc but I'm cool with that too.
But in the show it's hard to understand, why having witnessed it themselves, they didnt want to believe - and yet thats exactly what happened to jesus then and happens today. And on other subjects too (like i compared to climate change)
It's easier for some to just give up on the idea.

I also think people's historic actions in the name of religion. And many organised churches/religious practices arent actually how God would want people to be practicing. And its turned alot of people away. So kind of get why folks dont WANT it

SirChing "how bored have you got to be to sit and pick holes in something that you totally don't believe in anyway?"

it's not about persuading the believer, but warning the next victim. if you see someone in a market place being offered a solid gold watch for £19,99 you'd warn them it was fake wouldn't you?

@RoseWines haven't watched it yet but I will do. Is it good?

@Defenbaker Thank you, that's lovely of you. I am so sorry about your parents and am glad your mum looked at peace. I believe what the nurse told you too. I hope that you find peace and solace in whatever answers you find. My Grandad appeared to me after he had passed away. He was radiant with light coming from within him. And I felt overwhelmed with peace and love from him. I believe he was telling me he was ok. Both my mum and I felt his presence in the hospital mortuary, but mum didn't know that I did until I asked her if she had ever felt the presence of my grandad, some time later. When his body was moved to the funeral home, then he was no longer around. His presence had gone. So I do believe there is a hereafter. I could even tell you where in the room his soul was. I hope you get the comfort you seek wherever it may be found, in whatever form it takes

@heresme
I'm literally agreeing with you, and you're calling it a load of crap 😂
If your an atheist. Then theres no god.
The stuff happening is our fault.
Who else is to blame? Surely its us, our actions, your choices, mine, 7 billion others and everyones freedom of choice (as much as they had within the rule of society at the time) and free-will and actions over multiple generations led us to this point.

If that's crap.
Then it's cause by what?
Genuinely asking.
Unless your just angrily venting to call everything crap - then your post does make sense

@RoseWines That sounds really interesting and I totally agree with you.

@LastTrainEast what makes you think that people don't have the brains to decide for themselves? Did Martin Luther King need saving from his beliefs by atheists? None of us know for sure what the truth is, so why do you feel the need to profess with certainty that which you cannot know for sure?

God can't intercede and break his agreement as then we are all Satan's.
Oh I've no real comment on that, but Ive personally not seen or heard reference or scriptures about deals with Satan, as such.
So that's not formed part of my understanding

haven't watched it yet but I will do. Is it good?
Yea it was a good watch.
Bit slow in parts, but that does make it suspenseful

@RoseWines I think it depends which flavour of Christianity people follow. My ex husbands family were all Baptists and quite into the nitty gritty of it all. Their minister explained it to me. I think CofE waft over it quite a bit. Whenever people said Jesus died for our sins I used to say "but why" how did it work? Eventually, I got some answers that made sense from the Baptist minister and did my own reading and yep, there it was explaining why.

I'll start watching it tomorrow then when littley is in bed. Thanks for being so lovely to talk to. Off to bed now. Night

And many organised churches/religious practices arent actually how God would want people to be practicing.....yea thts kind of what i was alluding to above. Traditional CofE wafts over alot of everything, Catholic mass does too tbh, can go for years and really have a basic understanding still but know the rituals off heart :/

I always thought God was giving everyone another chance to be saved.
As opposed to settling deals.
I've attended CofE, catholic, methodist, but JWs are the most on point for accuracy for the most part (then they too go off on their tangents), so I'd be curious how that compares to Baptists.

Yea - Night!
Ive got 5 hours to stop procastinating and catch up with tasks before school run restarts. Enjoy the show tomorrow :)

*No idea on spirituality (am agnostic and don’t want to offend anyone’s beliefs), but it does seem that the idea of a Second Coming is a great way to stop people from organising themselves against injustice or suffering.

“Yes, it’s terrible now, but be patient and someone perfect will be along to fix it” means that people can patiently put up with all sorts because they have faith in something better. If there’s no-one coming then people are more likely to start solving problems and challenging bad governance themselves*

This. It's very interesting. I am in India at the moment and Hinduism has a similar messiah figure called Kalki who will come at the end of the Kaliyuga. The depictions of him and a returning Jesus are strikingly similar.

God is giving everyone the chance to be saved. By choosing him of their own free will, over the earthly temptations of Satan.

If God said "right, I'm in Heaven and you Satan are on Earth, let's see which one of us they come to", then God can't suddenly start intercepting things which happen on Earth as that means he is then reneging on his agreement with Satan in the battle for our souls.

That's how it was explained to me why God can't intercede.

And then Jesus came and he beat the Devil for everyone who believes in him gets eternal life. God found another way to help us find him, in the form of Jesus, to make it easier for us.

And now I realise that I have made God and the Devil sound like a couple arguing over custody of a dog, who decide it by both shouting the dog and seeing which one of them it goes to But that's essentially what it is, as I was told it by the Baptist minister.

Humans are the dog. Satan used worldly, material stuff as treats to summon us, God sent Jesus as his. But the dog still has to make its own choice and can't be dragged.

Yes, I think there will be a second coming.

@Mimishimi Wow, that's amazing. So when this bloke turns up, will he be saying my name is Jesus and Kalki and etc etc. It could all be the same person but just understood differently.

Happy to believe in Jesus, happy for others to enjoy their Trendy first world luxury beliefs.

The bible says there will be a judgement of the righteous and unrighteous.

It is for God to decide who this is, based on his standards.

I don’t believe in a first coming. I do believe in Jesus because there is historical evidence to back up the idea that there was a travelling preacher by his name and general description at the time. I do not believe he was the son of god, or that he performed miracles.

Happy to believe in Jesus, happy for others to enjoy their Trendy first world luxury beliefs.

If you are taken ill how much confidence would you have in the doctor if he started practicing bronze aged medicine on you?

It is for God to decide who this is, based on his standards.

I dont know a single christian who follows biblical law, they tend to pick and choose. If youre going by gods standards and 'law' then you should follow them to the letter after all isnt this your god, how half arsed are you being?

‘Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?’ (Matthew 22:31)

If God said "right, I'm in Heaven and you Satan are on Earth, let's see which one of us they come to", then God can't suddenly start intercepting things which happen on Earth as that means he is then reneging on his agreement with Satan in the battle for our souls

But, if God exists, he's omnipotent. Why would he need to make any deal with Satan in the first place?

@Equanimitas Because Satan was being a pain in the arse of an angel and getting right on God's tits, as far as I can remember it being explained. But as God loved him due to him being one of his angels, he didn't want to just annihilate him, but leave the door open for Satan to repent.

I could well be wrong about that, but I am pretty sure that's how it was explained to me.

"I do believe in Jesus because there is historical evidence to back up the idea that there was a travelling preacher by his name and general description at the time."

Except that there isn't...

Happy to believe in Jesus, happy for others to enjoy their Trendy first world luxury beliefs.

Assuming you mean you do believe in Jesus, that doesn't sound like a very Christian view @thefingerpointer, it sounds snarky, judgemental and pious.

How do you tally up statements like that with love thy neighbour and the importance of being kind and loving?