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To ask if you think there will be a second coming?

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LuluBellaBlue · 03/01/2020 18:29

This is inspired by the new Netflix show Messiah, about a second coming.

I really hope this doesn’t upset or offend anyone and people can share their beliefs and thoughts openly and without prejudice or judgement as I know this can be very sensitive for some people.

Following on from —binge— watching this series I did a bit of googling and it seems both Christian and Muslim regions predict this. (Not researched if any others do yet)

I’m not very well informed about different regions but the concept of this programme has really interested me, I find it fascinating that this could, maybe? actually happen!

Do you think there could be a second coming?!

(And what would it actually mean for the world? A rise in consciousness? Mass healing???)

YABU - no don't be so daft!
YANBU - yes, this could happen, why not?!

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Wandaneedsnewwindows · 12/01/2020 19:16

No, I don’t think there’ll be a second coming...as it’s a story. A bit like asking if Bram Stoker’s Dracula will be popping by soon

Walkingdeadfangirl · 12/01/2020 19:26

A bit like asking if Bram Stoker’s Dracula will be popping by soon

Confused Dracula popped back over xmas, I saw him on the BBC and read about him in the Radio Times, so it must be true.

Lifeover · 12/01/2020 19:40

Well if my DH knows what’s good for him there will be😂.

SirChing · 12/01/2020 19:43

@LastTrainEast If you think so.

SirChing · 12/01/2020 19:45

Worse still the only claim Jesus had to being anything other than an unemployed carpenter was that his coming supposedly matched prophecy in the OT

Also the small matter of the resurrection.......

SirChing · 12/01/2020 19:48

If you don't believe Genesis there's no reason to think God created the world at all

You may believe that, but that doesn't make it fact and you don't get to make that decision for others. Lots of us believe that Genesis is allegorical but that God still created the world.

SirChing · 12/01/2020 19:57

makes no sense to have Jesus saying that god was wrong and being good to each other is what matters. Unless he had the old man committed to an institution?

As Jesus IS God in a human format, he can say pretty much what he likes, and it will always have more authority to Christians than what some people believed God was telling them to write, hundreds of years before.

And yes it IS different, because this was Jesus's own words being reported, which were heard by many many people. So there is far less that what is written in the NT, is the result of someone having an episode of psychosis and believing that God had spoken to them and subsequently writing it down.

If Jesus says that man has mucked up religion and taken it far from its essence, and that He wants it to go down a different path instead, then the only person he is contradicting is himself - as Jesus is God.

user1498572889 · 12/01/2020 19:58

My husband thinks there already has been a second coming. And it’s him 😂

SirChing · 12/01/2020 19:59

*far less chance

Mumtotwo82 · 12/01/2020 20:42

There are no archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in Jesus time and place. Why would there be for a poor Jew? That doesn't mean they didn't exist and Jesus didn't exist. Most common people who lived at that time there be no archaeological evidence of them. He was mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians in passages that match passages in the new testament. 1st century Jewish historian Josephus , mentions Jesus twice in a famous Jewish aniquity of the history of Jewish people (non biblical non Christian bias) Roman historian Tacitus (non follower) also mentions of Jesus death by Pontius Pilate. Jesus was known by historians with non Christian bias. They might not give great detail of his life but for whatever reason they looked him up and no one thought he was made up. So yes he was real even if you don't believe he was the Messiah or Son of God, he did indeed exist.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 12/01/2020 21:47

Also the small matter of the resurrection.......

If I remember correctly their was loads of people resurrected in the Bible (& other religious books). Which means Jesus resurrecting wasn't that big of a deal.

Why is it that loads of people were resurrected before modern medicine existed but no one gets resurrected now? Could it be that resurrection isn't really a thing?

roisinagusniamh · 12/01/2020 22:49

Yes of course, I remember leaning about Lazarus.....who was either just asleep or in a coma!

Lweji · 12/01/2020 23:27

Why is it that loads of people were resurrected before modern medicine existed but no one gets resurrected now? Could it be that resurrection isn't really a thing?

People get resurrected in hospital all the time now. Due to modern medicine. Except that it's real resurrections, not apparent deaths, which is why we have wakes before people are buried. Not that they're needed these days.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 13/01/2020 01:55

People get resurrected in hospital all the time now
Not people who are brain dead, or are you suggesting Jesus was just dead for a few minutes and had CPR?

Brahumbug · 13/01/2020 04:45

You can't throw out the old testament as that is the whole reason for jesus incarnation. Even jesus says that all scripture is good. The problem is that the books of the new testament are of dubious provenance. Not only do we not have anything even close to the originals, but they are anonymous, we have no idea who wrote them. They are also only a small selection of the gospels that were in circulation in the first 2 centuries CE.

Lweji · 13/01/2020 06:24

or are you suggesting Jesus was just dead for a few minutes and had CPR?

I'm suggesting he was never really dead.

Lweji · 13/01/2020 06:29

See comment about wakes.
It used to happen that people seemed dead but weren't, so it was custom to wait to see if they stayed dead before burying them. It's the whole principle beind the Romeo and Juliet tragedy.

According to the Bible, Jesus was buried in a rush because the Sabbath was approaching.

LastTrainEast · 13/01/2020 18:47

It is certainly true that if Jesus was god he could change the objective morals that Christians bang on about. Though they'll have to stop calling them objective if they are subject to change without warning.

Just the personal and subjective morals of someone with a big stick to enforce them and evil then is whatever Jesus/god says it is today.

If we're dismissing the nastier stuff in the OT like the slaughter of the firstborn as baseless rumours then that puts the Jews who still celebrate the passover in a bit of an awkward position. Are they all part of a conspiracy? I wonder who put them up to it.

Of course modern Christianity wants to lose that stuff - I do understand that, but much of it is essential to the later claims.

Take Adam & Eve for example. A story that evolution and geology has pretty much debunked. Some Christians still cling to it, but fewer all the time.

But wait.. if no one ate the fruit then Original Sin was made up too and then what was all that about a sacrifice to atone for it? There goes the whole structure like one of those blocks of flats being demolished by explosives.

I think all the women who suffered in childbirth down the ages because of Eve's actions should claim compensation. Genesis 3:16

Which takes us back to why he didn't come back a second time.

Embarrassment and fear he might get taken to court.

LastTrainEast · 13/01/2020 18:50

"Why is it that loads of people were resurrected before modern medicine existed but no one gets resurrected now"

I remember someone saying that miracles ceased when we invented the video camera and started again when we invented CGI :)

SirChing · 13/01/2020 18:54

If we're dismissing the nastier stuff in the OT like the slaughter of the firstborn as baseless rumours then that puts the Jews who still celebrate the passover in a bit of an awkward position. Are they all part of a conspiracy? I wonder who put them up to it

Who is dismissing it as rumour? I can't believe you wrote that about Jewish people. My step mum is Jewish and that is the kind of anti Semitic comment she has had to put up with for years.

There is a huge difference between saying that some of us believe not all of the OT is literal and Jesus coming along to clarify things, and then suggesting a Jewish conspiracy. That's sickening.

I am finally, definitely out of this conversation. You may not have meant what you wrote in an anti Semitic way, but it sure as hell reads like it. Gross.

Littlemeadow123 · 13/01/2020 19:34

@Lweji

After crucifixions, they didn't sit and watch the supposed dead person for a while to make sure that they had definately passed on. They shoved a sword through them. Yes, being stabbed by a sword might not have immediately killed him, but he would have probably died during the three days in a tomb. Even if he had somehow survived those three days, he would not have been able to unroll the stone from the entrance, nor would he have gone around talking to people for days on end.

blinkingowl · 13/01/2020 19:52

Yes definitely believe.

Lweji · 13/01/2020 20:11

nor would he have gone around talking to people for days on end.
Well, if you take it all literally, no.

LadyAllegraImelda · 13/01/2020 20:34

@Needmorecaffine Fri 03-Jan-20 18:52:45
I'm on episode 5 of the Messiah and starting to get bored.Please tell me it ramps up again.

Yes it does, it's fantastic!

IamTheMESSIAH · 13/01/2020 20:41

I have arrived Grin

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