To ask if you think there will be a second coming?

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This is inspired by the new Netflix show Messiah, about a second coming.

I really hope this doesn’t upset or offend anyone and people can share their beliefs and thoughts openly and without prejudice or judgement as I know this can be very sensitive for some people.

Following on from —binge— watching this series I did a bit of googling and it seems both Christian and Muslim regions predict this. (Not researched if any others do yet)

I’m not very well informed about different regions but the concept of this programme has really interested me, I find it fascinating that this could, maybe? actually happen!

Do you think there could be a second coming?!

(And what would it actually mean for the world? A rise in consciousness? Mass healing???)

YABU - no don't be so daft!
YANBU - yes, this could happen, why not?!

No need to be so concerned over a few videos. You are not forced to watch them.

This guy is a christian and very knowledgeable on the bible and Islam so if anyone is interested have a look.

I missed the Red Dwarf video? :(

This thread has made me curious enough to watch Messiah. I'll give it a go tomorrow, it sounds interesting.

Of course not. There wasn't even a first one!

Having a relationship with Jesus does not require one to have a religion.

@SirChing
I reckon that everyone would get a chance to follow and accept him before any smiting occurs!
So you think its a Hitler situation? Follow & worship me or I will kill you? I dont get why religious people are ok with this.

Why do religious threads become so clogged up with youtube videos? Have 'believers' lost the ability to speak for themselves? Or is something more sinister going on?

Finding Messiah a thoroughly engaging watch doesn't require one to have a religion either - really fascinating concepts explored.

DH and I have joked that its like a serious Life of Brian - but it's more than that. An exploration of human nature/the human condition? Of why so many people crave someone to follow? So much to think about.

I watched it, and found myself wanting him to be the Messiah - wanting the miracles to be real. And I'm not religious at all...

^That's not a spoiler at all btw.

@CardinalSin I’d be really interested to read your sources! Please share? :)

You’d just need to crack time travel. If we went back a couple of hundred years with strong antibiotics, battery torches, recording devices and dehydrated food, we’d all be messiahs.

@Walkingdeadfangirl No, I don't think it would be a Hitler situation at all. Hitler murdered millions of people simply because of their religion, not because they were good or bad people.

Also, you presume that it will be God/Jesus who does the wiping out of the evil people who choose to follow evil. It won't.

People who believe in this stuff tend to believe that those who choose not to follow God and Jesus, after they have been left in no doubt thst he is real, will die during the wars that happen around that time. But because they haven't accepted God/Jesus, they wouldn't get to go to Heaven. Instead, the anti-Christ gets them as they have chosen to follow him by rejecting God/Jesus.

So God/Jesus won't be killing anyone. But their souls wont be saved after death because they refused to accept Jesus/God who would have made it abundantly clear who they are.

That's what some people believe anyway. I am not sure what I believe and obviously don't have all the answers. But it isn't as simple as "if you follow a different religion then God kills you". It's made clear that children and those who somehow haven't managed to get the chance to accept who Jesus and God are, would be saved anyway.

@SirChing
Hitler murdered millions of people simply because of their religion
Ummm thats what the Bible promises god will do upon the second coming.

the anti-Christ gets them as they have chosen to follow him by rejecting God/Jesus Why should people be forced to either worship god/jesus, or worship the Antichrist? That's the problem with the second coming, it forces people to do do something or be punished.

their souls wont be saved after death because they refused to accept Jesus/God That is the Hitler conundrum, worship me or die!

It's made clear that children and those who somehow haven't managed to get the chance to accept who Jesus and God are, would be saved anyway How is this made clear?

the anti-Christ gets them as they have chosen to follow him by rejecting God/Jesus Why should people be forced to either worship god/jesus, or worship the Antichrist? That's the problem with the second coming, it forces people to do do something or be punished.

Don't you think that the world is already full of evil. Christians follow Jesus. No one is forced to do so. If you choose not too follow Jesus in end times (if that happens) the alternative is to be left with satan. Who is a master manipulator so you wont realise you have chosen him......

Something to that effect.

I don't believe in any of the many hundreds of religions, neither current not long forgotten.

Nutellalovesme - no I don't have to watch them, and I haven't - but just posting a series of YT videos on a thread, without any hint of your own opinion, is just a bit off IMO. As if you're trying to "educate" instead of discuss.

@Walkingdeadfangirl

You ask where it's made clear....in revelations. Can't remember which bit as not read it for a few years.

Also, what flowerbombvr said.

I am not trying to persuade you. You can see it as a Hitler thing if you want. But you asked how people who are religious square it. I told you how they do. You can agree or not, it doesn't bother me either way, but I was just answering your question.

What I do believe, though, is that it's not as overly simplistic as your stance seems to assume. No-one is saying "follow me or else".

Personally, I think hell is being permanently separated from God. Which is apparently what the Devil wants, to prove to God that he will win their battle.

So I personally think that if people do refuse to follow God and Jesus when they have made themselves known, when they die, they will just die and not go anywhere. But that those that do decide to follow them will get to go to Heaven upon death. Once Jesus makes a new heaven on Earth, there is meant to be no more dying anyway.

I found it a tremendous to comfort to believe there was "something else" when my lovely Dad died - couldn't bear the thought of him just being nothing suddenly. It's never translated into any religious belief for me, but maybe just opened my mind slightly to some spiritual, agnostic ideas.

I hope so, GoldenEvilHoor.

It frightens me to hear reports that there are certain evangelical christians that are thinking climate change and the forest fires in Australia etc are actually the beginning of the end of times, or the rapture or whatever - but think they are "righteous" and will be saved. They are always deniers of man-made climate change. Scott Morrison (Aus PM) is said to be one.

It's kind of like a convenient excuse not to do anything to prevent climate change - v frightening indeed, because we need action by the world leaders like Scott Morrison.

@theflushedzebra I am an ex nurse. During my nurse training, one of the lecturers made a throwaway comment that many atheists go into nursing, but it's mostly agnostics or believers who leave. I found what they said to be mostly true.

There is so much that is inexplicable which happens when patients die, that it is very hard to believe that there isn't something more after death. Most nurses have tales of things they have seen and heard which they can't explain.

I was a mental health nurse, and religious delusions are very often symptomatic of several common illnesses. The chaplains of various religions used to speak to the patients to establish what was commonly held religious belief, and what was delusional thinking.

Having said that, I still remember nursing a young woman who had religious delusions and was acting absolutely wild in her attempts to attack and destroy. We had all nursed her before and knew what she was usually like when she was ill and when she had got well again. On one admission, though, her behaviour was very different and nothing that usually worked was working.

My colleague and I came out of being in a room with her and my atheist colleague turned to me and said "she is possessed". She meant it. And I have to say, I totally agreed with her. We told noone else, but I absolutely believe that she was.

Interesting, SirChing, thank you.

sirching
That was interesting. Do you have any other tales of things that you have seen or heard that you can't explain?
I am fascinated. Also do you know what happened to the woman having the delusions. Did she get better?

Yes there's going to be a second coming. Our Lord Jesus and our farther will appear from heaven for is all to see. I don't believe that jesus is going to walk the earth again as look what happened to him he is our truth and the light of god. This earth is so satanic we live in the end days. You can hear and see if you choose. How many liers are their how many people just live for themselves. There is lot's to say. The second coming is in the last second of things as we know today.

@Nutellalovesme I think in the end the girl was less volatile and she was moved to a less restrictive wars than the one I worked on, which was for the most unwell people who were a danger to themselves or others, or at risk of absconsion.

There was a lady who used to be admitted following suicide bids. One day, a nursing assistant was going round and checking on everyone, and asked when this lady had been admitted. She hadn't. She had died the day before. The nursing assistant saw her sat in the patients lounge.

When I worked with dementia patients, one lady used to be scared of a lady that only she could see, but she said that her husband always protected her from the lady. The lady's husband had died years before. I always thought she was telling the truth.

Colleagues used to see unknown people walk past a certain patient lounge, walk down the corridor and not come back. But the corridor was locked to all except staff, and no-one came back past the lounge.

Most of us had the experience of being sat in the ward office doing paperwork and seeing someone stood in the doorway out the corner of our eye. When we looked, no one was there.

A colleague reported that there was a chap who passed away on a very snowy night. Before he died he kept sitting and gesturing to the window opposite his bed. After he died, there were footsteps in the snow walking away, underneath where the window was, but no footsteps walking to the window.

There were so many things that happened, that most of us were left in little doubt that there is more in this world than we can currently explain. I don't know any nurse who rubbished the concept of the afterlife after being in the job for a few years.