To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!

[GColdtimer]

Because if you are in Oxfordshire, the council thinks schools should facilitate mixed sex dorm rooms for residential trips, as well as allowing mixed sex loos, changing rooms and sports.

It's on this thread thread

This isn’t the signal of automatic mixed dorms, is it? A trans girl will be allowed to sleep in a girls dorm with the usual supervision that kids have on residentials.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. If there is a "trans girl" in a girls' dorm, the dorm is mixed sex.

I bet you'd love to be the person testing all the little kids by looking in their underwear to make sure.

Dark alley and person backing you into corner or someone kicking in your toilet door or grabbing your breasts at the sinks?

I can imagine you all around chasing a little kid to try and pull down their undies

Just to draw attention to the posts by Gail that Harriet posted.

Gail called those people who didn’t want male bodies in our daughter’s spaces bigots, compared us to erstwhile homophobes and referenced racism. Then, when people weren’t being kind enough, out came the above posts and a few references to cocks.

Why are people like gail so determined to enter female spaces?

Hey, Whatsitthingy.

Teacher who does lots of residentials here.

We supervise the kids all day. Then we pop them into shared hotel rooms which usually accommodate 3-4 kid. Mostly hotels that are set up for the student market have bunks, but some Travelodge types have a twin room plus a sofa. It's basic & that's reflected in the price.

Teachers split into shifts with one lot keeping an eye on hotel corridors until after midnight/whenever all is quiet, & the other shift free to go to bed but up at 6am.

But no, no one is supervising 'dorms'. Students who are quietly spending the night in their rooms, in friendship groups, are not 'supervised' unless they flag up a problem.

Probably not great to room four 14yos together if one of them is of the opposite sex to the other three, but if that's how it's roomed, then once they close the hotel room door, there is absolutely NOT going to be an adult 'supervising'.

Hence the concern.

If you're imagining massive sex segregated dorms with patrolling staff, then nope - it's not The Handmaid's Tale. It's a dc with 3 other students from their year group, in a smallish double hotel room with bunks or fold out beds.

This isn’t the signal of automatic mixed dorms, is it? A trans girl will be allowed to sleep in a girls dorm with the usual supervision that kids have on residentials.

Well yeah it does.
As soon as you put the 2 sexes together that space becomes a mixed sex area.
I have enjoyed residentials as a child and adult helper and there was only 1 occasion where an adult slept in the same room as the children.
The rest of the time it was hotel rooms with 2 to 4 children or hostel rooms with 10 plus children and no teacher in either.

I had sex at a residential exchange trip. 3 different exchanges, 3 different schools, 5 different guys. Didn’t get pregnant and definitely didn’t sleep In their house.

We are also assuming that trans women are all attracted to other women. And yes, I do think that your need to check the genitals of children to make sure they align with your expectation of what they should be is extremely creepy. I can't think how else you plan to check that people with dicks are where you say they should be.

I do think that your need to check the genitals of children to make sure they align with your expectation of what they should be is extremely creepy

Only you has mentioned children's genitals. Nobody else did and you constantly referring to children's genitals is creepy. Please stop.

@jellyfrizz

Someone who had undergone puberty (Trans children usually block puberty these days) is less likely to pass as a cis woman. Therefore, it will be more obvious when adult trans women are using male facilities. They might not even be seen as trans, they might pass as cis women and be attacked for being in a male area. But you don't care as long as you can pee behind a closed door without a penis near you because youre so traumatised or other people are or whatever. Therapy!

Well at least 'cock' has become 'dick for a bit of variety.

No one has said that they are checking genitals. Just you. Again. Bit of a recurring theme...

All hail Gail's mighty penis.

Morning Cushy how are you today?

Normally, children are registered at school under their actual sex. If a child wishes to be known as the opposite gender, their original sex should remain on record. Children can't change their birth certificate anyway.
And yes, the majority of adult men who identify as women in Western countries are attracted to women. No reason post puberty teenagers shouldn't be the same. Plus, you know, you can tell who's a man.

medium.com/@katieja/but-how-can-you-tell-7901324d0919

so you want research from anti-trans organisations? Just because an institution doesn't declare themselves as trans haters like the people in this thread, it doesn't make them pro-trans, it just means they don't think trans people are dangerous.

I think this is just a bunch of hysterical women the types that could get away with racism and homophobia in the past and now that has eben cut out, you have moved your hate onto trans women because you cant live without making someone suffer.

Oh God, they are back. Please just ignore them- they clearly aren’t going away until they have completely derailed the thread.

Marvellous Pity. And yourself?

They are certainly tenacious and not a little disturbed/disturbing. Always the same...focus...

Oooo it's gone all testerical again.
That was quick!

Morning rodg how are you?

Having a lazy Sunday morning DC are still asleep.
I want food but nothing in I fancy so may pop out shortly.

Therefore, it will be more obvious when adult trans women are using male facilities. They might not even be seen as trans, they might pass as cis women and be attacked for being in a male area.

So, you’re saying the problem here is male violence?

Gail your suggestions are revolting.

Just in case you are genuinely missing this...

We are talking about teachers and children from the same school.
Of course the teachers already know which are boys and which are girls.

@jellyfrizz

Absolutely the issue is male violence and we have to combat toxic masculinity, but not at the expense of trans women who are far more likely to get beat up in a male loo than me or you. So no, go use men's toilets and we will work on getting men to stop beating you up IS NOT a humane solution. I know humanity doesn't matter to bigots and monsters but it does to us civilised folk

Oh dear our friend seems upset that MN allow women to talk and discuss subjects that directly affect them.
Tut tut we should only be allowed to discuss babies and cooking?

I am very concerned that safeguarding measures put in place to protect children are being ignored and overridden in favour of protecting another's need for validation.

@HipTightOnions

Nope not necessarily. Many trans kids change schools after transition or do it at a time when they start a new school. They do not have to disclose.

Mum turned the router back on I see.

Morning all. Thanks to so many of you for engaging on this. The 3 claimants are really keen for their challenge to be publicised as far as possible. Please follow safe schools alliance social media for updates and keep spreading the word. This case will likely set case law so could effect all children in England and Wales.