To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!

[GColdtimer]

Because if you are in Oxfordshire, the council thinks schools should facilitate mixed sex dorm rooms for residential trips, as well as allowing mixed sex loos, changing rooms and sports.

It's on this thread thread

What we are seeing is advocacy forcing science into the direction they want, with very little financial incentive for pushing back. But it is important to hold these advocates accountable for their arguments. It is not enough to hide behind scientific studies when these studies are little more than harmful social activism.

And there's a lot of money in srs

(Sorry quite from the article)

I know this isn’t the Oxfordshire Guidance, but to add to the “gender appropriate toys” etc, the LGBT Youth Scotland guidance to schools includes gender non-conforming people under the “Trans” umbrella which makes me seriously wonder WTF, how many people are they trying to capture under their ideology?

The Guidance goes on to say that it normally applies to children under 12 who may never identify as transgender, but they sure do try to put that little grain of an idea into teachers’ heads.

If a sex crime was committed in an area, they would interview the men suspected of being gay when homosexuality was illegal because they counted them as sexual predators. That's what you are basically saying here.

All this talk of gender appropriate toys has made me realise that I must have been transgender for the last 50+ years since my favoured toys were cars, garages, model aeroplanes and airfix kits.

AIBU to tell my parents that they should have realised or should I just accept that there are no such thing as gender appropriate toys?

GailCindy

Men as a class are sexual predators.

That's why we have sex segregated places.

Do you think we should remove sex segregation everywhere?

I don't expect you to answer because it's a tricky one for you.

It just sounds like a lot of hoo ha from bigots to me. I certainly won't be joining any women's marches against trans people. Go in your toilet or cubicle and shut the door if you're worried someone wants to look at your naked body.

That's what you are basically saying here.

Nope. That's what you just said.

And it's really homophobic.

Also, I'm afraid you're going to have to define homosexuality. Because at the moment, two women going down on each other can be male homosexual sex.

Likewise two men having oral sex in a 69 position can be a demonstration of lesbian sex.

So you're going to have to start defining your words, if you want anyone to understand a single one of them.

Gail
When the Yorkshire ripper was at large 100s of men were interviewed simply because they were men.
Should the police not have done that?

I do not refer to the sex I have as straight sex. If I said to my ex that we should have straight sex, he'd probably bargain to do it the gay way. I doubt lesbians talk about having lesbian sex with each other. They just call it sex probably.

I love this image. Says it all really.

My point is gay men were interviewed because they were thought of as sexual predators so even if the victim was female they would be suspects.

If a sex crime was committed in an area, they would interview the men suspected of being gay when homosexuality was illegal because they counted them as sexual predators. That's what you are basically saying here

You’ve already been told that using homosexuality as a gotcha is extremely homophobic. Please stop. We are discussing the rights of women to have male free areas. What’s so difficult for to to understand? Gay men have never tried to force women and girls to let them into female spaces, so why are you so keen to talk about homosexuals? The two are completely unrelated. I welcome lesbians into female spaces because Of the fact that they are women.

Gail
Do you really think this is just about toilets?

Does it not matter to you that the erosion of female only spaces means women and girls are missing out on sports places?
On jobs?
Political platforms?
Not to mention the fact that females are being told they no longer have the right to say no to a male in their space, touching their body or having sex with them?

Oh, have you got evidence for specifically gay men being rounded up & interviewed in the investigation of sex crimes against women? Seems...improbable.

Also, completely irrelevant to whether ANY men or boys should be in female dorms, frankly.

Why is eg Meccano a "gendered toy", please?

Until this bullshit got into its stride, 7-year-olds of both the usual sexes (and probably of the much rarer other sexes too) played happily with Meccano, making lorries that moved (if they were lucky enough to have a Meccano engine available) and cranes with which they could (very very slowly) lift heavy objects upstairs because of the gearing, and so on.

Then suddenly only boys were supposed to want to play with Meccano. I shall never to the end of my days work out why that decision was made, or by whom, or how they made it stick, but some time between my being a 7yo who played happily with Meccano and my children being 7, it had happened. Maybe alongabout Action Man and Sindy becoming the must-haves for only boys, only girls?

Same with Lego, which now comes with gendered "people" I think, and Hornby railways -- for god's sweet sake, what is gendered about having fun building a railway layout?

All through the sixties women fought against this crap: they said "why shouldn't little girls wear dungarees and climb trees and ride bicycles that are the same colour as the ones their brothers have (and have saddlebags at the back instead of a basket at the front which screws up the steering balance)?"

Similarly, children of any sex could dress up as a dragon or a princess or a knight in armour without being assumed to be of one or other sex. Boys could be the princess if they wanted, nobody gave a damn.

Now, apparently, any little girl who wants to play with "boys' toys" must be assumed to be a boy really, and any little boy who wants to play with "girls' toys" (sewing machine, cooking stove) must really be a girl on the same basis.

Gah. Have we learned nothing in fifty years?

Here is another related series of questions: for which sex are books appropriate,on a gender basis? Wooden building bricks? A toy farm or zoo? How about drawing/colouring books? A musical instrument? Throwing and catching a ball? If you can say either sex the moment you are asked, why can you do so?

Sod the gender nonsense: it is a meaningless load of trottle that is being imposed from outside onto the children, and they do not need it. Time enough to worry about gender when you have secondary sexual characteristics and sex is actually relevant to your life.

I except from this those unfortunate children who are the victims of inappropriate adult sexual behaviour: they are forced to grow up unnaturally quickly, which should be a crime in any but a seriously sick society. I include in the category "inappropriate adult sexual behaviour" that of adults who tell a pre-school child that it is the "wrong" sex or as they mealy-mouthed say it gender, and needs chemical and surgical intervention to "correct" what is "wrong" with its body.

@Fairenuff

We have sex segregation because of our history of religious modesty and the difference in what men and women were expected to put into society. It didn't make sense to teach them the same things if they do completely different roles in life. Back then women getting raped wasn't even a concern so the idea of a sexual predator didn't exist.

My point is gay men were interviewed because they were thought of as sexual predators so even if the victim was female they would be suspects

All the men interviewed in the ripper years were interviewed because they were men I dont think it mattered what their sexual orientation was. They were interviewed because women are killed and raped by men in the majority. Gay men are men they fall in to the category of males so will be treated as such.

Gail doesn't realise that two people with penises can call themselves lesbians Datun. Whoosh - straight over their head.

Though to be fair, lots of people don't realise.

@PityParty4one

Same thing they said about black people but institutional discrimination means we never let them into a position where they could threaten to have more political or social power. I reckon it will be the same for trans people. We don't need to worry

Back then women getting raped wasn't even a concern so the idea of a sexual predator didn't exist.

No it was a major concern to women it just wasn't illegal.
Women have been raped since humans began. Do you think rapists just sprang out of nowhere in 1889?
Why are you trying to rewrite history?

Back then women getting raped wasn't even a concern so the idea of a sexual predator didn't exist.

Back then women getting raped wasn't even a concern to men so the idea of a sexual predator didn't exist to men.

There, fixed it for you.

@PityParty4one

Trans people are being treated like they are sexual predators just for being trans. If men alone were this dangerous we wouldn't let them near little girls in any capacity.

Oh christ Gail you are so desperate you have gone from gays to black people!

The colour of a persons skin or their sexual orientation has nothing to do with the fact that males and females cannot change sex and sex segregation matters for the safety of women and girls.

Oh look, using black people now! How surprising! 🙄 Ticks Gotcha list.