To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!

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Because if you are in Oxfordshire, the council thinks schools should facilitate mixed sex dorm rooms for residential trips, as well as allowing mixed sex loos, changing rooms and sports.

It's on this thread thread

Trans people are being treated like they are sexual predators just for being trans.

Wrong.
Males are treated like sexual predators because the huge majority of sexual attacks are committed by males.
Transwomen are male what they wear does not change their sex. Therefore when we safeguard against males trans women are included because of their sex not their choice of lifestyle.

I’m happy to share with black women. I’m not happy to share with black men. I must be racist. 🙄

@Fairenuff

If you were a feminist you would know that men are the ones who decided who and what was segregated by sex back then, so, if things were segregated because men were sexual predators then it would be their fucking decision. Wouldn't it? So your earlier stupid point that the reason we have sexual segregation is because men are sexual predators is irrelevant. They were the ones obsessed with female modesty and they controlled everything, so they segregated things to protect their modesty when relevant and teach them to be wives and mothers in accordance with the fucking religion they follow.

If men alone were this dangerous we wouldn't let them near little girls in any capacity.

And that's why we have sex segregation.

I see that you couldn't answer whether it should be removed everywhere though. As I predicted.

@PityParty4one
If men were that fucking dangerous, you're doing little girls a disservice every time you leave one alone with a man. Even their dad. Sure only about a third of paedophile bawk at incestuous molestation (true crime buff) but that means about a third of dads are seriously at risk of touching up their daughters since all men are so likely to be offenders.

You're being hysterical. It's ridiculous.

*The biggest issue here the social conditioning of males and male focused behaviours.

No body is suggesting the removal of safeguards and policies. The removal of Bigotry and homophobia yes, but not safe practice. And inclusion of transsexual children does not amount to the same as removing safeguarding if implemented with some common sense and a dash of intelligence.*

I think you've actually nailed it in this bit LittleDragonGirl, your conclusion of what true inclusion would mean is a bit off though.

Trans people should be safe and accepted in the facilities of their own sex. All toilets should remain sex-specific but gender neutral.

Oh dear.

If you were a feminist you would know that men are the ones who decided who and what was segregated by sex back then

Men kept women from public because they did not trust other men.
Men created women only spaces to keep other men away from their wives and daughters.
A women's virtue was prized amongst males and to have ones wife or daughter lay with another man reflected badly on them so they but things in place to stop it.

Yes modesty and religion played a part but again that was because those things were prized in women by men.

You have heard the term raping and pillaging? That existed way before toilets ya know.

if things were segregated because men were sexual predators then it would be their fucking decision. Wouldn't it? So your earlier stupid point that the reason we have sexual segregation is because men are sexual predators is irrelevant.

I'm pretty sure the majority of men wanted to keep their wives and children safe. Just as they do now.

We wouldn't just have sex segregation in toilets and changing rooms, we wouldn't have male nursery workers. We wouldn't have male doctors. This is embarrassing seriously and why people think feminism is ridiculous.

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Gail, I am you. I absolutely won't join marches against trans people

However I will join marches to defend the rights of women as they currently stand..rights to have some things sex segregated to ensure the dignity , safety and societal participation of women.

Should it be shown that gender segregation was sometimes also appropriate ( for example transwomen often want gender separated facilities such as changing rooms, or laws to support transpeople in industry ) then I would also consider marching for those rights. As distinct from sex based rights.

My daughter’s school friend was raped.

The same school year has a six-foot late-teens lad now identifying as a girl. It’s hardly ‘what you don’t know about won’t hurt’, given they all knew him as a boy last month and nothing has changed bar the name.

How DARE you call the young girl a ‘bigot’, GailCindy, for wanting the girls’ school loos to stay single-sex so that she has some chance of using them.

It just sounds like a lot of hoo ha from bigots to me.

Bigot bingo.

Really reminds me of a training exercise I did once in safeguarding training where a hypothetical dominating colleague played down and dismissed concerns of a younger staff member.

Which led to discussion of the 2009 Plymouth child abuse case and how Vanessa George used her domineering personality to hide her offences.

Safe is the wrong word. Protect their modesty in accordance with scripture is more accurate. Like you'd keep a original collectable in its box unopened.

Your whole idea that we have sexual segregation for reasons related to men wanting to stop predatory behaviour is ridiculous. Women were blamed for getting raped so men were not thought of as evil for raping. Just tempted.

We don't need to worry

Phew! You've put me and other women at ease there Gail

Nothing to see here. No debate. As you were.

The level of gaslighting on this thread is extraordinary!

If men were that fucking dangerous, you're doing little girls a disservice every time you leave one alone with a man. Even their dad. Sure only about a third of paedophile bawk at incestuous molestation (true crime buff) but that means about a third of dads are seriously at risk of touching up their daughters since all men are so likely to be offenders.

Of course males are dangerous however some males are not and I did my best to ensure the males my DDs are with are as safe as can be.
At school there are safeguarding in place as there are in hospital.
I knew their dad for 8 years before they were born and living with him, knowing his family I had no reason to suspect him.

However would I let my dd go in to a ladies changing room I had just seen a male in a dress go in to? No i would not as that would be a risk. But I suppose you would tell your 12 yo dd to stop being hysterical and go and get naked in front of the male in a dress?

Gail you need to do some research around NAMALT because you're doing it a lot on this thread.

Good grief. People won't like feminism if it is seriously misrepresented

We can have Male doctors. Females just need the right to have a female doctor or female escort for certain procedures ( or female doctors with the right for a male to have a male doctor for sensitive procedures )

Generally speaking, differentiating between male and female should only be done where necessary. So it's not black and white men evil women good, it's about balance and harmony and mutual respect

inclusion of transsexual children

Sorry what now? What on Earth is a transsexual child?

Women were blamed for getting raped so men were not thought of as evil for raping. Just tempted.

Exactly Gail
So other men kept their women away from men so that the poor men were not tempted. Hence women only spaces. That way poor men would not be tempted by those brazen women and the women's virtue remains so in turn did the husbands social standing.

Can anyone show me safeguarding guidelines for mixed sex changing, showering and dorms for children?

Safeguarding guidelines which should include impact and risk assessment for all children and supervising adults that covers how to ensure safeguarding for mixed sex sleeping changing and washing facilities for children.

For all your ramblings Gail, you appear to forgotten that it was actually women that fought for female toilets, because toilets were originally built for men and women were at rush of being assaulted and raped in them. The eventual success of that fight lead to more social mobility for women them fighting for further female spaces, so where do you get the idea that men demanded spaces separate from women? Is it ignorance or lies?

www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

Sadly women are still blamed for being raped by men.