To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

Most classics courses have been discontinued, even at Camden school for girls the ancient greek and latin has gone.

Teachermaths not only can you do a PGCE in Classics, but it attracts one of the highest bursaries.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/3148080-Should-the-DfE-be-offering-26k-bursaries-to-train-as-a-Classics-teacher

That's a back hander to private schools if I ever saw one!

Oh it totally is.

Plenty of little indirect subsidies go on, never mentioned though.

Not read the whole thread. Of course 47k is great for a teacher but in London on ups and hod. Not representative of a classroom teacher. I got as far as the op's slightly scornful remarks about staying a classroom teacher. Most of us have to and indeed want to.

For comparison, I earn about 50k as "only" a classroom teacher. But I had to move to Australia (2nd band of independent school - achievable after 2 years of teaching). That is a good salary and I believe reflective of the skills and workload.

So, no teachers are not well paid in the UK despite the op's salary.

When I did my PGCE at Nottingham back in the day there was a classics PGCE.

So, apart from PM what do classicists do with their degrees?

become Prime Minister?

Yes, as I said in the first bit of my sentence!

Do a law conversion and go into the city, finance, go into IT - sometimes after a postgrad. I can see the links between programming and Latin grammar. Also I presume they have the skills for a lot of jobs arts and humanities grads do?

Yes, indeed, I just think people assume (sometimes snidely) that langs and hums grads are teachers because it's all that is open to them.

I guess classicists will have been to a RG university (and probably private school) so have a pretty good leg up in the world... but plenty must want to teach. I would have thought. My Latin teacher at school was fab.

One thing to bear in mind is that there may be a chicken and egg situation where the huge workload puts people off, which makes it worse for the staff that stay...

Maybe stopping curriculum changes and reducing admin things like lesson plans might help as PP have said and that would be something sensible to do early?

NASUWT classroom teachers pay scales
starting pay is @ £24300 rising to
just under £41k for experienced classroom teacher in England..

London starts about 2k more to about £41600

I'm a Classics grad. We become English teachers, sometimes .

No fat bursary back in my day, eheu.

No, nor mine! Think DH got a few quid for being a maths trainee.

I qualified in 2001 - we had a small bursary (primary PGCE) but the BEd's didn't. They actually booed us on graduation day. My bursary paid my child's nursery fees whilst I studied.

I got a subject shortage bursary at Nottingham which you could only get if you took out the full loan. There was a scheme a few years later where you could apply for £500 or something like that to do some research because the trainees behind us had all got golden helloes! I went to Germany with mine!

I think I got a bursary of £3k, a golden hello after NQT of £1k, they would have paid off my student loans, and the PGCE didn’t have any tuition fees.

Charging trainees to train in shortage subjects seems bonkers.

Well, I even pre date student loans so it really was 'free'!

Someone earlier asked about salaries for the similarly educated:

"In 2018, the median graduate salary (£34,000) was £10,000 more than the median non graduate salary (£24,000). Postgraduates earned an additional £6,000, with a median salary of £40,000."

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/graduate-labour-market-statistics-2018

In 2002, I got a £6,000 bursary to train which was I think given in £600 odd monthly payments but had to get also get a student loan to pay the £5,000 tuition fee (go figure!). I got the £5,000 golden hello after completing NQT year as a shortage subject (which was taxed so I got £3,200).
So all in all, for essentially 10 months (I was lucky to get a July job) I earned £4,200 from the government for the privilege of training to be a teacher to live on in all that time and staying in the job, after earning £28,000 as a programmer the year before.

"The median base pay of regular classroom teachers was £35,900 in November 2017.."

www.gov.uk/government/publications/evidence-to-the-strb-2019-pay-award-for-school-staff

pg. 28 onwards

Regular classroom teachers includes everyone ot on the leadership spine. So that will be distorted by TLRs too.