To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

Average teacher salary is £37 I think?

I’m not wild about the accuracy of your facts either

"2018 figures - Average salaries for classroom and leadership teachers are higher on average in LA maintained schools.The average salary for a classroom teacher in a LA maintained secondary school is £38,800 compared to £37,400 in secondary academies.

Am I missing something here? How does this dispute that statement?

Well I suppose the teaching unions can't have their cake and eat it either.

What even id that supposed to mean clav ?

Am I missing something here? How does this dispute that statement?

Yes, I was querying, "And obviously that's skewed by the MAT heads who are still included on their £150k salaries."

• average salaries in LA maintained schools are higher - £38,800.

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16,400 who are returning to teaching in state funded schools after a break.

If Clavinova and TabbyMumz are going to question statistics of teachers to include those on maternity leave etc. then this figure should also beg the question of how many of these returners were those only taking 9 months or so off for maternity leave.

I’m interested to know that of the 44,600 entered or returned to teaching (and some of this figure may include those who qualified and didn’t have a job or who went abroad) does anyone have the exact figure or breakdown of those who left teaching (happy to include those retiring, in the interest of fairness) in 2018?

I hope they marry up. We need teachers to stay!

Yes, I was querying, "And obviously that's skewed by the MAT heads who are still included on their £150k salaries."

- average salaries in LA maintained schools are higher - £38,800.

I took the first statement to mean overall average salaries were skewed by leadership pay, of which MAT leadership salaries were highest (not all academies are MATs you see), which is true and your stats show that the statement ‘£37k I think’ was pretty spot on (by £400 or £1,800).

I know this is anecdata but I teach in a so called non shortage subject . Teachers leaving my department has definitely increased over the last 8 years : most have left teaching altogether (about 8 members of the dept) and have certainly not returned. Two have returned. One was in education in her time out of teaching (working for an LA) and has come back to a leadership role. The other returned for two weeks and then left again!

I took the first statement to mean overall average salaries were skewed by leadership pay.

The inference was that MAT heads skewed the average salary upwards.

I think the LA figures is higher because LA schools have a higher average age iirc and MATs don't have to abide by payscales so also may be areunderpaying no leadership staff by comparison.

Actually taking any average is not brilliant but it certainly shows that your average teacher is not on £47k, and as the OP was roundly told unless they're in a private school £47k implies top of teaching scale plus a TLR.

Also agree more teachers just leaving teaching. I work in a nice school. Rural, relatively affluent, really good SLT but still had 2 or 3 in last couple of years just stop teaching.

Having recruited a few teachers over the years for the department too, the number of applicants is not what is was 10/15 years ago. Then I'd expect 20 applications for a full time humanity subject teaching role. Now, maybe 4 if I'm lucky.

then this figure should also beg the question of how many of these returners were those only taking 9 months or so off for maternity leave.

It doesn't matter if they were first recorded as having left the profession - works both ways.

I think the stats are taken from the teachers' pension records - do teachers on 9 months maternity leave continue to earn pension contributions?

We regularly get no applicants for English jobs guy.

do teachers on 9 months maternity leave continue to earn pension contributions?

After 6 months I had to opt out. I opted back in after 1 year when I went back.

It’s pointless for Clavinova to keep posting statistics, because, as we all know, you can make the figures look the way you want them to.

Tabbymumz, quantities of teachers are leaving the profession within the first five years. Some will leave later, some earlier.

The fact remains that teachers are leaving the profession, that the workload is becoming more and more untenable, that academies have changed the entire landscape of state education, that budgets have been cut and that the fat cat CEOs of academies are coining it in.

I’ll say again, that the primary reason for dissatisfaction is not salary, but the workload, stress, behaviour etc, but for a standard classroom teacher the £47000 salary is a myth and that is the sort of salary that someone with a TLR and on UPS 3 could achieve in a state school.

Looking better for English 2019/20:

"Recruitment was, however, well above target in some subjects, with the largest absolute surpluses in biology (surplus of 781), history (surplus of 339), English (surplus of 276) and geography (surplus of 214)."

The inference was that MAT heads skewed the average salary upwards.

Yes, I agree. For the average as a whole. Which it does. It seemed your stats quote was as if you thought it was just meaning MAT classroom teachers were higher. As it is, the original statement was pretty accurate and your quote was helpful. Thank you. Genuinely!

It really isn't clav. I can tell you now that projections for English in many areas are dire , especially given the reduced numbers taking the subject at A Level and degree.

Recruitment and retention are different things, as you know.

One of that hardest to fill vacancies of recent years has been head of English roles.

That is indeed encouraging Clavinova. I wonder where we are going wrong with STEM, MFL and Creative subjects then, even with supposed 3 year £10k golden hellos....

Interesting stats, though, clav, given biology and geography still attract sizeable bursaries.

It’s pointless for Clavinova to keep posting statistics

Not everyone on this thread is a teacher - 45% of teachers leaving the profession within 5 years is incorrect and misleading.

The original statement was pretty accurate.

Where are your statements on recruitment from Clav?

But still no stats for those leaving altogether in 2018?

I have no objections to schools paying some subject teachers more than others - pay maths and science teachers £10,000 pa more than primary school teachers - fine by me.

But still no stats for those leaving altogether in 2018?
Why should I do your research - some teachers.