To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

I’m a teacher and I agree.

Clavinova - so, do you actually have any clue whatsoever about what teaching in state schools is actually like outside of London, or what a normal pay rate is?

No. Clavinova is just a parent with two children in private schools.

Thanks for the link clav I’m sure conservative home publishes without bias so it’s a great source.Well done.

This statistic came from The Guardian link;

"Figures from the Higher Education Statistics Agency show that the overall number of EU academic staff rose slightly between 2016-17 and 2017-18, the most recent data available, from 35,920 to 37,255."

University of St.Andrews:

"Having consulted colleagues as part of the data gathering process, I am writing to make you aware that the data held by the University is unlikely to provide the level of understanding that you are seeking. For example, from your communication the main focus of your interest would appear to be in determining if the study you make reference to is an accurate reflection of the position in terms of EU academics leaving UK universities over the past year. From the information we hold, we are able to supply you with the number of EU academic staff who left and joined the University of St Andrews in 2017 (and the preceding year if required) however, this data will not necessarily be a comparable indicator in terms of the study findings referred to.This is because staff leaving the university may be doing so to move on to another UK university and this is not information that is routinely capture[d] in our records."

University of Edinburgh - 1,272 EU academics have left Edinburgh University since the referendum - whilst the number of EU academics employed by the university has increased from 1,595 to 1,825.

University of Glasgow - 776 EU academics have left - whilst the number employed has increased from 685 to 920.

University of Cardiff - increased from 883 to 1070
University of Exeter - increased from 422 to 581
University of Cambridge - increased from 1546 to 1698

Clavinova - so, do you actually have any clue whatsoever about what teaching in state schools is actually like outside of London, or what a normal pay rate is?

I started posting on this thread because several posters called another poster a liar - she said her dp was a maths teacher on £50,000 - I believe her.

She hasn't come back so what is the point in still discussing her?

Decidewhattobeandgobeit - whereabouts do you live? Because what may be an exceptionally good salary in, eg, Yorkshire, may be pretty crap for the South East, so it seems a bit daft to make blanket statements about whether a particular salary is good or not, given the colossal differentials in cost of living and job opportunities across the country.

several posters called another poster a liar - she said her dp was a maths teacher on £50,000

They didn't say she was lying, they said that if her partner was just a teacher then there must be other factors which accounted for the wage. Otherwise he must have additional responsibilities.

if you were trying to make the point that most teachers can achieve a £47,500 salary

I didn't.

They didn't say she was lying

Without looking back I recall, "chin rub"...

I started posting on this thread because several posters called another poster a liar - she said her dp was a maths teacher on £50,000 - I believe her.

No. This is what causes so many problems on threads like these.
I’ll try to break down what happened:

Due to the fact that classroom teacher payscales in England and Wales can’t physically go up to £50,000, poster in question was asked what caused that poster’s DH to be on that salary (promotions, MAT, private school etc) Poster never responded to the questions. Ergo, high chance of not telling the full story and just wanting to goad.

You then went on to just randomly post job adverts that confirmed what teachers on here were saying (although I don’t think you meant to) and hence why it is so damaging that posters like you that genuinely have no clue about the teaching profession (and there is nothing wrong with that) post what you do.

It was "chinny reckon" actually Clav, which was an adequate response to a claim that someone earned 50k without any extra responsibilities. As said in a discussion about state school salaries, mentioning private sector ones is utterly disingenuous.

Yes but you don’t get anywhere with facts because Clavinova can do an internet search!

Looking back, what I see are streams of random job adverts proving that someone who only has classroom teaching responsibilities will not earn as much as £50,000 in the state sector - or even in most private schools.

It was "chinny reckon"
Makes all the difference!

You then went on to just randomly post job adverts
That's not how the thread evolved.

From a blog on Tes;
"Independent schools will pay you as much - or as little - as they want to and can afford to. And with some laudable exceptions (more about that at the end), most of them do not advertise their pay scales. Not even when you’re applying for a job there." ...

"For medium to big schools, there will normally be a generous extended pay scale, perhaps going up to nearly £60,000 in London, and there are normally no hoops to jump through so you move onto it automatically, although progression right up to the top may involve some assessment.This means that an ordinary classroom teacher (by ordinary I mean one with no administrative responsibilities) can earn a nice whack, without going through the aggravation of producing lots of threshold paperwork."

According to the Independent Schools Inspectorate there were nearly 60,000 full time equivalent teachers working in ISI schools in 2018. If a teacher moves from the state sector to the independent sector they are recorded as having 'left teaching' (in the media anyway) - when clearly they haven't left the profession.

@Clavinova why have you c&pd an article about university lecturers when we're talking about school class teachers?

...And now it's private schools

saraclara
why have you c&pd an article about university lecturers when we're talking about school class teachers?

Easier if you read the thread.

Bloody weird thing to post clav, the discussion is about ordinary teachers in standard state schools.

Hilarious that yet again your c and p skills are let down by your terrible critical thinking.

Clavinova - there are nearly 510,000 state school teachers, and your copy and paste of the blog implies that a minority of the 60,000 who teach in big private schools in London may stand a chance of earning nearly £60,000 pa - so a minuscule number of teachers, then. A bit like a minuscule number of solicitors earn hundreds of thousands of pounds a year.

YANBU is winning with 56% and I'm going to watch Dracula.

Sorry - that should actually say 60,000 teachers teach in private schools, of which a small minority teach in London and a minority of that minority earn somewhere between £50-£60,000 a year just to do classroom teaching. That would make a tiny, tiny percentage of classroom teachers ever hoping to earn such an inflated salary for teaching.

a minority of the 60,000 who teach in big private schools in London may stand a chance of earning nearly £60,000 pa

Quick reply - we are only talking about £47,000 - £50,000 though.

Sara
That's how Clavi operates on these threads. They turn up, talk nonsense, goad people and then keep throwing stuff they've googled into discussions regardless of how relevant it is.
For someone not in teaching they are remarkably motivated in their desire to be goady on threads about teaching pay and conditions.

It's quite bizarre really. I couldn't imagine being so obsessed with another profession that I'd use my spare time to repeatedly turn up on threads about their job, spout nonsense and deliberately misrepresent issues, challenge people in the profession who have more first hand experience and then resort to googling largely irrelevant or tenuously relevant information to copy and paste in a bid to continue to prove I know best.

Oops Clav runs away again when her stats are pulled apart. Your c and p mentions the 60,000 figure.

You haven't proved that a salary of 47,000 to 50,000 is achievable by most teachers or common at all.

Clavinova - clearly not the Royal We, as you have blatantly been talking about all sorts of other things!