To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

Somebody somewhere should really be asking why

The thing is I think we all know why. The government just doesn’t want to solve it. It’s all part of the privatisation of education isn’t it?
All this pension talk is moot. They’ll have been sold off in the next 5 years.

Oh yeah Clav? Which newspaper?

“Initial teacher training census data released today shows the government met just 85 per cent of its secondary school teacher target.

This included recruiting just 43 per cent of the required physics teachers, 62 per cent of modern foreign languages and 64 per cent for maths.

This is even worse than last year – when 71 per cent of maths teachers were recruited and 47 per cent for physics.

The target for primary teachers was also missed – with 96 per cent of the target reached.”

schoolsweek.co.uk/government-misses-secondary-teacher-training-target-for-seventh-year-in-row/

overthinker to me £47k is a massive salary too. Like the vast majority teachers, I earn nowhere near £47k.

Oh yeah Clav? Which newspaper?

The Guardian "Brexit brain drain"

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/dec/01/lib-dems-brexit-brain-drain-eu-academics

"Liberal democrats untrue claims about a brexit brain drain"

www.conservativehome.com/leftwatch/2019/12/exclusive-the-liberal-democrats-untrue-claims-about-a-brexit-brain-drain-at-
british-universities.html

University of St.Andrews FOI
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/eu_academic_staff

I think your title is a little misleading. The majority of teachers are not department heads. That's what you're being paid for, department head

43% of physics teachers?! That’s shit. What a fucking state.

So I'm picking up here (I think) that teachers tend to think that people who arent teachers are in bullshit jobs with no benefit to society, but also that being a teacher is an unbearable stressful job that the majority of teachers hate and are leaving the profession?

Just out of curiosity, surely teachers are like any role or profession and all have their own different points of view?

Yes that's a good salary. £29k is average, many graduates with 20 years work experience earn way under £45k in the private sector. Wages are low for most people graduates or not!

Teachers can be driven out by giving them crappy timetables. For part timers this might involve ridiculous stuff like timetabling them for one lesson in the middle of the day. For full timers it might involve timetabling them to teach subjects outside their specialism, bottom sets, in lots of different classrooms or different schools across the MAT. Teachers may also have sixth form teaching taken away or be denied pay rises.

Lots of ways to do it.

Clavinova, I've worked overseas for five years. I know oooh, a couple of hundred overseas teachers, most of us Brits.

I know TWO who returned to the UK to teach in that time.

One had elderly DPs she needed to be closer to, one had a thoroughly bored, miserable & pregnant 'trailing spouse' who was homesick.

Neither wanted to go back to teach in the UK.

In fact, the friend with the ailing DPs has been quite clear that she'll be off to Forn Parts again as soon as her (sadly now only one) DP is no longer around.

Meanwhile, we recruit a few more fleeing Brits every year. It's like watching the bit in Black Beauty where he gets taken from his life pulling a London taxi & let loose in a field. I'm not saying my new colleagues are literally rolling around in the grass whinnying in glee, but they're certainly not pining for their MATs...

Thanks JimmyGrimble, once they had finished with me they moved on to the next person and the next and so on. They had an agenda to remove the older/expensive* staff and replace them with younger, cheaper, more malleable people chosen by the Academy. It's an all too common scenario, sadly.

expensive* but not £47k.

To me £47K is a massive salary.
And most of the teachers on here agree with you because it's not what most teachers earn.

tabbymum that’s not what I said at all - total straw man.

So I'm picking up here (I think) that teachers tend to think that people who arent teachers are in bullshit jobs with no benefit to society,
where on earth has anyone said that!

Thanks for the link clav I’m sure conservative home publishes without bias so it’s a great source. Well done.

So I'm picking up here (I think) that teachers tend to think that people who arent teachers are in bullshit jobs with no benefit to society, but also that being a teacher is an unbearable stressful job that the majority of teachers hate and are leaving the profession?

Not as clear cut as that I’m afraid. Disingenuous to take such a complex area and summarise it in just a couple of lines.

Teachers don’t think others don’t have it harder or will criticise other jobs in the vein that teaching is scrutinised.

What you are picking up is a deliberate ploy by the OP and posters like Clav (and possibly you?) to rip to shreds a profession for sport.

Just out of curiosity, surely teachers are like any role or profession and all have their own different points of view?

Absolutely. Which is why blanket statements like the title of this thread are bullshit.

Of the many teachers who have left teaching in the UK (either to go abroad or do a different job) none have returned to teaching.

Thanks JimmyGrimble, once they had finished with me they moved on to the next person and the next and so on. They had an agenda to remove the older/expensive staff and replace them with younger, cheaper, more malleable people chosen by the Academy. It's an all too common scenario, sadly.*

Yes and if clever posters who are lurking on this thread, read between the lines of ilovesundays’ posts in her MAT, they will see how true this is.

Yes chloe a fascinating insight into the stories MAT bosses tell themselves.

So I'm picking up here (I think) that teachers tend to think that people who arent teachers are in bullshit jobs with no benefit to society

Which posts did you get that bizarre idea from?!

Clavinova - so, do you actually have any clue whatsoever about what teaching in state schools is actually like outside of London, or what a normal pay rate is? Because your job ad examples were all faintly ludicrous if you were trying to make the point that most teachers can achieve a £47,500 salary, rather than that such a salary is possible. 0% of people have claimed such a salary is impossible, anyway, so I don’t really understand the point of your posts. Why copy and paste random adverts about London jobs, private school jobs and a job in a school in Birmingham that has major recruitment issues? That’s a bit like saying most solicitors can easily earn £100,000 a year, then copying and pasting jobs in City law firms and major regional centres. It’s just a bit weird and pointless.

Tabbymum is twisting a post I made, wondering what the highly-invested non-teachers on these threads do. I certainly didn’t say that all non-teachers we in bullshit jobs. Amazingly I’m actually a career changer and had a few really valuable jobs before becoming a teacher. There are plenty out there.

I have read what clav said? It was what cuckoo said......she said...

"On these threads I always find myself wondering why non-teachers are so invested in putting us in our place.
Recently started reading ‘Bullshit Jobs’ by David Graeber and it’s started me thinking - so many people work in jobs that have no value. That is they contribute nothing to society. People in these jobs know this (though they may not want to admit it). Some people in these jobs feel very bitter (rightly so - it’s a miserable existence) particularly towards people who do jobs that are unarguably beneficial to society. I do wonder what jobs the usual suspects do."
And for the record. .I dont think I have ripped the profession to shreds?

That should have read "I havent read what clav said"