Page 15 | Jolyon Maugham should be prosecuted for killing a fox

halocompanach · 2019-12-26T11:41:38+00:00

Jolyon Maugham QC stating on twitter that he has clubbed to death a fox rather than calling for help to free it from netting in his garden.

OldCrone · 29/12/2019 13:27

I would suggest that a person who thinks this is the only normal reaction probably thinks of animals like pets.

No, you only have to think of animals as living creatures to feel some sort of distress at this method of killing. It's the method that's abhorrent, not the act of killing it.

However, another entirely normal reaction is that putting an injured animal swiftly out of its misery is an unpleasant but necessary task when the alternative is waiting hours for the authorities to turn up while it writhes in agony, or while he googles some "guidance".

So if your pet cat was injured you'd batter it to death with a baseball bat?

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 29/12/2019 13:28

Do fishermen still whack fish on the head? I know my dad did years and years ago but I'm not sure if that's still the done thing.

Equanimitas · 29/12/2019 13:29

He chose what he thought would minimise the fox's suffering and that's why he is innocent of any crime

Good grief, isn't that the same explanation given of nutjobs who murder their family?

Well, no. Euthanasia is lawful for animals but not for children.

OldCrone · 29/12/2019 13:31

Do fishermen still whack fish on the head?

Foxes are mammals, not fish.

OldCrone · 29/12/2019 13:32

Euthanasia is lawful for animals but not for children.

Not usually done by bashing their skulls in with a baseball bat, though.

Alsohuman · 29/12/2019 13:35

So if your pet cat was injured you'd batter it to death with a baseball bat?

No, but if it was close to death and suffering, you’d help it on its way. Or at least I would.

Dangerfloof · 29/12/2019 13:51

No, but if it was close to death and suffering, you’d help it on its way
Or at least I would
???? By taking it to the vet to be put to sleep?
Like most of us would

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 29/12/2019 14:09

Foxes are mammals, not fish.

And?

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 29/12/2019 14:09

Are fish not pretty enough for you to be bothered about them being clubbed to death?

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 29/12/2019 14:10

you only have to think of animals as living creatures to feel some sort of distress at this method of killing

You said animals. Not mammals.

Jillyhilly · 29/12/2019 14:15

I’m intrigued by the people here trying to normalise what JM did - as if bludgeoning a fox to death is just one of the things responsible urban chicken-owners do on an average Boxing Day, or even that it was somehow done for the fox’s benefit. Or that JM is such a smart, cool dude that he’ll be somehow enjoying the response he’s provoked - almost as if it was intentional.

I totally agree that he may or may not have committed a crime. That absolutely remains to be seen, and it’s not really worth speculating about at this point. And I really don’t for a second think that he’s a sadistic maniac who would have enjoyed killing an animal.

But do you really not think that the whole combination of bashing an animal’s head in / with baseball bat / while wearing wife’s kimono / and tweeting in jokey way / having tweeted something very similar a month before is - at the very least - extremely peculiar?

I can only guess that this comes down to feeling that he’s your guy. But even then, surely it’s possible - like the writer in that Guardian piece - to acknowledge that the Boxing Day actions were not good.

Alsohuman · 29/12/2019 14:56

???? By taking it to the vet to be put to sleep?
Like most of us would

Not if it was badly injured and moving it would increase its pain. Quick, hard blow on the head or break its neck.

WhatshouldIdo123 · 29/12/2019 15:05

No, but if it was close to death and suffering, you’d help it on its way
Or at least I would

Assuming you are a vet and are qualified to diagnose an animal without laying a finger on it. This fox was trapped in a net 'making his chickens nervous' hence the baseball bat. It takes a certain type of psychopath to behave on this way then fucking tweet boast about it as if what he had done was such an achievement for a boozed up cunt like him.

OldCrone · 29/12/2019 15:08

I’m intrigued by the people here trying to normalise what JM did - as if bludgeoning a fox to death is just one of the things responsible urban chicken-owners do on an average Boxing Day, or even that it was somehow done for the fox’s benefit.

It really is very odd.

And as for the person who is comparing foxes to fish...

OldCrone · 29/12/2019 15:10

This fox was trapped in a net 'making his chickens nervous' hence the baseball bat.

I don't think he even said it was injured, did he? I didn't see all the tweets so I may have missed that.

Dangerfloof · 29/12/2019 15:12

Not if it was badly injured and moving it would increase its pain.
Quick, hard blow on the head or break its neck
Jesus, vets even come out to your home now to put animals to sleep.
Its bloody difficult to kill more than a mouse sized animal with one blow, I dont think most of us know how to break an animals neck in one try either.
You are bloody special if you think you can do this.

Alsohuman · 29/12/2019 15:30

You are bloody special if you think you can do this

I’ve done it. Injured rabbit while out walking. Quick twist of the neck. Gone. It’s not special at all, it’s being an unsqueamish, lifelong country dweller.

WhatshouldIdo123 · 29/12/2019 15:41

it’s being an unsqueamish, lifelong country dweller

Ah yes...that old rural dweller caveat used to justify the killing of wildlife for whatever reason.

Alsohuman · 29/12/2019 15:53

Ah yes...that old rural dweller caveat used to justify the killing of wildlife for whatever reason

Ah yes, putting a badly mauled animal out of its misery instead of leaving it to die a painful, lingering death. So cruel.

lowlandLucky · 29/12/2019 15:56

I had to drown a baby rabbit in a bucket of cold water after my cat ripped its leg off. Maybe i should just have left the poor thibg screaming in agony

JacquesHammer · 29/12/2019 16:01

Ah yes...that old rural dweller caveat used to justify the killing of wildlife for whatever reason

I finished off a rabbit that had had its back end run over yet was still alive. What was kinder? A swift end to its life or leaving it crying in pain whilst I drove it the 45 mins to the only vets open on a Sunday?

Jillyhilly · 29/12/2019 16:02

I don't think he even said it was injured, did he?

There was absolutely no mention of injury.

BigusBumus · 29/12/2019 16:03

If a fox got tangled up in my hens netting I'd be out there with a shotgun in a second and kill the thing. (or cricket bat or whatever).

What i wouldn't do is risk having my hands ripped to bits by the fox trying to untangle it.

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 29/12/2019 16:32

And as for the person who is comparing foxes to fish...

Yes? What about me?

Dangerfloof · 29/12/2019 16:33

whilst I drove it the 45 mins to the only vets open on a Sunday?
In the arse end of nowhere I may well get a sturdy shovel and try my best to kill an injured animal, in the middle of London however where there will be a local vet and its known of at least 6 animal charities that will come and help with a trapped animal, no one has said it was injured at all, then I would Google and try my own vet (I must have one if I'm keeping chickens) and give the RSPCA a try and possibly even ask on Twitter if anyone knows of a charity that can help on boxing day.
I wouldn't bloody batter it with my nearest baseball bat in my wife's kimono and post gleefully that's what I did.
If he had said that he had to despatch a badly injured trapped fox, then more people would have been ok with it.