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To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

763 replies

Soimblue · 22/12/2019 14:20

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

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siring1 · 22/12/2019 17:09

My nephew got a first in maths earlier this year - what a thicko!

Interestedwoman · 22/12/2019 17:10

YANBU. I don't vote Tory, but I don't think people should be slagged off as people for the way they vote. The stuff lefties have being saying about the NHS is scare stories, and I know plenty of disabled people including myself, whose income has much improved under the Tories. The scare stories and abuse help no-one. They just make the losers feel better about themselves, without actually looking inward and seeing what Labour need to fix to win a General Election (including ditching the abuse of voters etc- not to mention the antisemitism.)

DuckWillow · 22/12/2019 17:11

Oh and YANBU btw OP

I don’t know if it’s worse on MN or if it’s the same as every other forum out there.

DuckWillow · 22/12/2019 17:13

Interested the privatisation of the NHS started via the Tories and was continued by Labour with the disastrous PFI .

So the stories about the NHS are not scare stories but the Conservatives are not the sole reason there are issues.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 17:14

Well, yes, obviously a conservative party is right-wing, it would be bloody stupid to say otherwise. That wasn't what I said at any point. And I am not right-wing so I am personally fed up of being told I am. So, can I please stop being told I'm wrong now? Thank you

If you voted for a right wing party, you are right wing. Logic 101.

malfoylovespotter · 22/12/2019 17:17

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 22/12/2019 17:17

The Conservative Party are a centre right party

Not a right wing party and they are not right of conservative at the moment (Thatcherism was more to the right but still not right wing)

And Labour are a centre left party - at the moment a left party hence why they lost

Our politics tends to not stray that much from the middle ground

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 17:19

The stuff lefties have being saying about the NHS is scare stories, and I know plenty of disabled people including myself, whose income has much improved under the Tories

The first part of this sentence is demonstrably untrue. The second is unbelievable.

Ooogetyooo · 22/12/2019 17:19

I'd say it's the most right wing party we've had for many many years

ChestnutSmoothie · 22/12/2019 17:20

If you voted for a right wing party, you are right wing. Logic 101

That’s not necessarily the case at all. A lot of people who are undeniably left wing voted Tory this time round. Our country is going through a very unique period and lots of people have made a decision that they wouldn’t normally because of that.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 17:21

I agree @Ooogetyooo, it’s the most right wing of my lifetime, which is now in its seventh decade.

ChestnutSmoothie · 22/12/2019 17:21

Our politics tends to not stray that much from the middle ground

Agree.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 17:22

All right @ChestnutSmoothie, I can be as pedantic as anyone. We’ll say “right wing for now” or “temporarily”.

LittleOne61 · 22/12/2019 17:25

So what did you vote for? Did you fall for 'Get Brexit done!' Or do you just not like Jeremy Corbyn?

What did you vote for?

Come back in a few years and we'll see what sort of state the country is in and perhaps you'll see why people are getting so upset!

HeIenaDove · 22/12/2019 17:26

Found this.

www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/opinion/the-charitable-industrial-complex.html

I HAD spent much of my life writing music for commercials, film and television and knew little about the world of philanthropy as practiced by the very wealthy until what I call the big bang happened in 2006. That year, my father, Warren Buffett, made good on his commitment to give nearly all of his accumulated wealth back to society. In addition to making several large donations, he added generously to the three foundations that my parents had created years earlier, one for each of their children to run.

Early on in our philanthropic journey, my wife and I became aware of something I started to call Philanthropic Colonialism. I noticed that a donor had the urge to “save the day” in some fashion. People (including me) who had very little knowledge of a particular place would think that they could solve a local problem. Whether it involved farming methods, education practices, job training or business development, over and over I would hear people discuss transplanting what worked in one setting directly into another with little regard for culture, geography or societal norms

Often the results of our decisions had unintended consequences; distributing condoms to stop the spread of AIDS in a brothel area ended up creating a higher price for unprotected sex.

But now I think something even more damaging is going on.

Because of who my father is, I’ve been able to occupy some seats I never expected to sit in. Inside any important philanthropy meeting, you witness heads of state meeting with investment managers and corporate leaders. All are searching for answers with their right hand to problems that others in the room have created with their left There are plenty of statistics that tell us that inequality is continually rising. At the same time, according to the Urban Institute, the nonprofit sector has been steadily growing. Between 2001 and 2011, the number of nonprofits increased 25 percent. Their growth rate now exceeds that of both the business and government sectors. It’s a massive business, with approximately $316 billion given away in 2012 in the United States alone and more than 9.4 million employed
Philanthropy has become the “it” vehicle to level the playing field and has generated a growing number of gatherings, workshops and affinity groups.

As more lives and communities are destroyed by the system that creates vast amounts of wealth for the few, the more heroic it sounds to “give back.” It’s what I would call “conscience laundering” — feeling better about accumulating more than any one person could possibly need to live on by sprinkling a little around as an act of charity

But this just keeps the existing structure of inequality in place
. The rich sleep better at night, while others get just enough to keep the pot from boiling over. Nearly every time someone feels better by doing good, on the other side of the world (or street), someone else is further locked into a system that will not allow the true flourishing of his or her nature or the opportunity to live a joyful and fulfilled life
And with more business-minded folks getting into the act, business principles are trumpeted as an important element to add to the philanthropic sector. I now hear people ask, “what’s the R.O.I.?” when it comes to alleviating human suffering, as if return on investment were the only measure of success. Microlending and financial literacy (now I’m going to upset people who are wonderful folks and a few dear friends) — what is this really about? People will certainly learn how to integrate into our system of debt and repayment with interest. People will rise above making $2 a day to enter our world of goods and services so they can buy more. But doesn’t all this just feed the beast?

Butchyrestingface · 22/12/2019 17:26

A lot of people who are undeniably left wing voted Tory this time round

I find it very, very difficult to believe that there are natural left wingers who voted for this particular incarnation of Conservatism.

VMisaMarshmallow · 22/12/2019 17:26

Also- it’s entirely possible that a few people with disabilities have found their benefits improved under the Tories, that’s not necessarily unbelievable, but it is entirely unrepresentative of the majority experience of those with disabilities under Tory governments which is the part that matters.

MissConductUS · 22/12/2019 17:29

@VMisaMarshmallow

Of course Miss. It’s entirely your fault that the oopma loopa with a dead guinea pig on his head is president. All your fault.

Good point. The heat has certainly gone up since the massive tosser and idiot President Trump was elected, but there has always been a view on MN that Americans tend to be uneducated, tacky, a bit dim, etc.

catlady3 · 22/12/2019 17:32

I wouldn't attack you just for voting tory, but perhaps understand that with your vote you supported someone who just a week before the election said I have no right to treat this country as my home. And that's actually one of the milder ones. So there's an argument to be made you threw the first stone. If you voted for it, maybe own it?

Ooogetyooo · 22/12/2019 17:33

"Seeing all that and still voting them in" ...
Quite true
However many people just live in their bubble and don't think beyond what's happening in their own lives and unless directly affected by cut backs and lack of services, will carry on voting for status quo because, why wouldn't you ?
Had awkward conversation with supposedly well educated family member yesterday who is training to be a school teacher and voted Tory. She can't make the connection between who she votes for and the dire situation in the classroom where she is doing her work placement. Very little support for kids with SEN and class of 30 bulging at the seams. Says she's going to work in a private school. It was on the tip of my tongue to say what about the poor sods who'll be in state schools? But yeah , doesn't affect her so why bother ?

ChestnutSmoothie · 22/12/2019 17:33

I find it very, very difficult to believe that there are natural left wingers who voted for this particular incarnation of Conservatism

I know quite a few who have voted Labour their whole life but didn’t this time.

Maybe people don’t fit neatly into the little boxes you’ve constructed for them, eh?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 22/12/2019 17:34

No it’s really not

Thatcher was more to the right,

I think you are viewing through rose tinted glasses. Also the Tories have to keep a number of voters that helped them to power happy after we leave the EU

We are not going to see a particularly right conservative parliament they always think ahead about keeping power and by ignoring those voters they put themselves in a precarious positive (as Labour will sort themselves out in the next few years and the left will be on the back benches)

VMisaMarshmallow · 22/12/2019 17:35

Helena so similar in principle to tied aid? We’re down to something like less than 10 main corporations owning most of the rest, from 70 or so just a couple of decades ago. That’s a clear monopoly of wealth that can put huge influence on government policies and voting patterns through msm, that in turn benefits themselves again. World wide wealth has been redistributed to the top teeny % this way in a few decades, not just here, all while no one notices.

Butchyrestingface · 22/12/2019 17:36

Maybe people don’t fit neatly into the little boxes you’ve constructed for them, eh?

Yes, that’s exactly what I said. 👍

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 17:37

Thatcher was more to the right,

I’d really like you to unpack that a bit. Because it’s certainly not my perception, having lived through all her governments.