To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

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I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

ChestnutSmoothie speaks for a lot of us, I think.

How about the regressive left, Patroclus? That’s an entirely different issue.

But, to be perfectly frank, if you want to convince those who disagree with you that you are somehow intellectually advantaged then stop posting because you’re really not achieving that. Just so you know

Totally agree op.
I boycotted this site following all the insults after the 2015 election and only came back recently.
What amazes me most about those throwing the insults around is the weird belief that their hysterical ranting will somehow change other people’s opinions.

There are alot of people who voted Tory as they won, Name calling is childish. Some of the posters on Mumsnet are completely out of step with the rest of the population and they love to spit their vitriol.

One could reasonably argue that throwing money at addiction is exactly what needs to happen. I know more than a few addicts due to living in area where heroin is rife and not one of them wanted to be addicted. They all wanted help to beat their addiction but the help either wasn't available at all or wasn't comprehensive enough.

The wait for a rehab place for alcohol addiction here is over 15 months, slightly less for heroin addiction. And support for addicts post-rehab is piss-poor, so there is a high rate of relapse.

@Fraggling My DM is Italian Can i have a link to that please?

Well, yes, obviously a conservative party is right-wing, it would be bloody stupid to say otherwise. That wasn't what I said at any point. And I am not right-wing so I am personally fed up of being told I am. So, can I please stop being told I'm wrong now? Thank you.

I suspect whatever names are called here it will have no effect on future elections
If this forum in any way mirrored the real world there would have been a labour landslide

They are just about to get Corbyn version two; Rebecca Long-Bailey, chosen by Momentum, aided in her bid for the role by an extreme left winger. So looks like another few years in the wilderness, it's like they have no interest in winning.

I'm not so sure Long-Bailey's a shoo-in, tbh. A lot of members on the left don't feel she has enough experience.

Studies undertaken by who? What bias? What variables? What criteria? What funding is behind them? What measure of intelligence? If IQ how have they adjusted for the Flynn effect? If emotional intelligence is it self reported? Are the numbers in the studies large enough to be representative? Are they varied enough to be representative?

Chestnut- nice to see someone capable of using the correct terminology for disablism. The pc trend of ablism is a form of disablism in itself. Ablism is just merely showing preference to those with abilities, disablism is discrimination against those of us with disabilities, othering us, using derogatory terms for us or using disability terms as insults to others. We aren’t targeting because of our abilities but because of our disabilities and rewriting that into a nice neat sjw term erases my experience of my own disability (and my kids). How the Tory government have disproportionately targeted people with disabilities is most definitely a form of disablism, along with social cleansing of other groups, but I don’t think for a second most people voted Tory because they wanted this so I’d never term Tory voters disablist.

Yes agreed Rosie 59. But some of the posters on here are so hysterical they feel they are in the right and everyone else is out of step.
In real life I honestly do not know what family and friends voted. In fact do not know what my partner voted. So no bad behaviour or name calling here.

Just to respond to the OP

Ive seen attacks and mean comments from and to Tory and Labour voters

Its like the leave/remain voters....comments to and from

I’m sure the majority on the left don’t feel RLB has enough experience she hasn’t but who else can they put forward Angela Rayner. They know people intensely dislike McDonnell - who I have always thought of as more intelligent than Corbyn and manages himself better in interviews - but he to will be part of this process to make sure the left keep hold of the party regardless of the party being unelectable that isn’t as important- that the left for you

Thing is though, there is voting Tory and then voting Tory after 9 years of austerity, seeing the effect on NHS, schooling, disabled, homeless.... and for a man responsible for Brexit, lies, racism and so much else.

Seeing all that and still voting them in.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-46836957

For me the bottom line is
They were invited to come, to help with work, when we needed them
They've been here since the 50s FFS

The hostile policy was (is?) appalling.

I think people are just angry about 9 years of not having their voice heard or make any difference... especially left wing remainers. But I'm seeing a lot of anger, insults etc from tory voters as well towards lefties and remainers. Just check comment sections on most of our national newspapers.

Given the low level of intellegence of Labour voters it's a good thing they lost.

wow.

Being an American on MN is no picnic in the park either.

@Fraggling oh that is the same one i found earlier this year ......but Thank You.

DM has been here since 1960 but we are in the South East She spent 50 years working in factories.

Every party has policies that disadvantage a number of people - do you expect them to be happy about it? If you voted for a party that targets the vunerable presumably you thought the other things they were offering made up for this. Own your decision! I don't imagine the bile would be any less if anyone else had won. As a nation we're all at each other's throats at the moment. It sucks but that's where we are after nine years of Tory rule.

We aren’t targeting because of our abilities but because of our disabilities and rewriting that into a nice neat sjw term erases my experience of my own disability (and my kids). How the Tory government have disproportionately targeted people with disabilities is most definitely a form of disablism, along with social cleansing of other groups, but I don’t think for a second most people voted Tory because they wanted this so I’d never term Tory voters disablist

Very well said.

I’ve never considered Labour voters lacking in intelligence. And some previous posters are correct that people with degrees are far more likely to vote labour. It’s certainly true in my social circle and social media.
Labour voters I know mostly fall into two categories, those who will directly benefit from a labour government through increased benefits and those who have such a comfortable lifestyle that paying more tax or increased immigration would not affect them at all but they feel that labour would help more people.
Just as most tory voters I know either vote Tory as they are quite well off and want to stay that way or because they are working class and work long hours and don’t want to pay taxes to support those who can’t be bothered and are happy to live off the state.

All of the above are valid reasons for voting in my opinion as are reasons to vote green, Lib Democrat, SNP.

It’s horrific that we’re having to explain to some on the left that people can vote for who they want and do not deserve to be called cunts for it but unfortunately that is the nature of many labour voters today.

Of course Miss. It’s entirely your fault that the oopma loopa with a dead guinea pig on his head is president. All your fault. Not his fault, or the rich white men who manoeuvred to get him there, or the heavily biased msm (owned by said rich white men), or the lack of valid choice, or a representative voting system. None of these factors are to blame, just you.

emilybrontescorset
Just own what you chose.
It really is that simple.
Buts lots of voters can't.
If you can justify it fine, if you can't then stop whinging about it.

It would be simple if people didn't try and tar you with the brush of their own prejudice.

Feelings are still running high and there are insults flying both ways.

I voted Labour in a safe Tory area with the sole aim of reducing the majority of our sitting MP. He’s a nice man so I am nit sorry he was re-elected but was pleased to see a reduced majority.

I’ve been told by one Tory vote (not on here) that I support terrorism because I voted Labour (yes really).

That told me he at least swallowed hook, line and sinker what he was told by the media.

However I know plenty of Tory voters who are personal friends and who do lots for other people. At least one who rings the food bank each week to see what they need and then goes and bulk buys that particular item for them. So o won’t buy the “all Tory voters are vile”. . I reserve that for the actual Government who make the cuts.

Everyone has different opinions about things and arrives there from different experiences. We all have to respect this