To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

[Soimblue]

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

53rd - I think perhaps the problem is people are seeing right wing (and left wing) in terms of world politics. In which case tories aren’t that far right and labour aren’t that far left. But we don’t need to be grateful that our politics isn’t dictator ship versus communist state to discuss British politics. So your right, our current Tory government is further to the right than recent tories have been, probably since Thatchers days (although I’m not 100% certain on that) and currently labour is further to the left that Blair’s time. It shouldn’t need qualified that right and left are in relation to British politics but it appears it does.

The insults aren't even bloody working so I wish people would put them away

Exactly. It's laughable.

"I voted Tory"
"Then you're an evil Tory cunt"
"Oh, so I am. Sorry. I'll vote Labour next time."

Said no one, ever.

@ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah I don’t understand the relevance of your comment to me. I was telling another voter why I wouldn’t bother looking at their old ‘leftie posts’ because anybody can lie about their political leanings on the internet. I wasn’t conmen on the election or the selection of candidates at all.

Strawberries I was responding to your comment I wish people on here would own their opinions.

So maybe the Tory voters who are being called cunts don’t not care about disabled people, maybe they just think there are better ways to help them than throwing money at them

One could reasonably argue that throwing money at addiction is exactly what needs to happen. I know more than a few addicts due to living in area where heroin is rife and not one of them wanted to be addicted. They all wanted help to beat their addiction but the help either wasn't available at all or wasn't comprehensive enough.

You won't cure addiction, depression or any other mental or physical illness by removing funds. You cannot starve someone into getting better.

@Kungfupanda67

Treatment and rehabilitation is old fashioned in this country. I dont think they can work with an addiction but wont be getting good help to treat it. What can they do?

I do know people who have exaggerated medical conditions to get benefits but that has always been because they do need help but won't get it with the level of disability they have. Like my aunt needs help with mobility costs because she has bladder issues but they wont give it to her for that so she has to play up her arthritis instead. Other people just dont have the education to get a job or keep one because they have undiagnosed learning or behavioural or mental health issues.

I am a labour voter but I think it is absolutely disgusting how a high number of liberal lefties think it is ok to bully other people for daring to have a different POV to them.
Ironic really.
Everyone has their right to exercise their democratic right to vote and nobody should bully and vilify someone for doing so. 👏🏻

Given the low level of intellegence of Labour voters it's a good thing they lost

Yup, spectacularly low level of intelligence, hence the far higher proportion of graduates. A degree has become official certification of stupidity now.

@alislim

I think you are downplaying it when you speak about it as a different PoV. For many people, it is the difference between having something to eat and a place to live and some hope for the future or not. I agree that some hardcore Labour supporters aren't in that position and it isnt that drastic for them but it is for others and some other people recognise it. For me personally it is the difference between a Government who worked to support my son in getting the same outcomes as his peers and one who took everything away that made that a possibility. My son gets one chance at education and it has been marred by Tory cuts for people with SEND. He will never have this time again. It isnt a theoretical debate or about feeling good about the fact that you voted in favour of equality even though it didnt benefit you like it is for many liberal left winged people. For us it is about the chance of having a life we deserve and have worked for (in my case) or not.

I do not believe anything people post on MN about themselves so I won’t be wasting my time looking through your posts

Oh, how fucking childish. “You’re not saying what I’ve decided you ought to, so you must be lying”. Is this what passes for intellectual debate for you?

I voted Labour & I am repulsed (yet again) by the aggressive and unpleasant way the left carry on these days.

You (collectively) obsessively pick apart what people say, ignore context, ignore the wider pictures and do your level best to put the most vicious spin on it that you can - all so that you can smugly screech “RACIST” “MISOGYNIST” “DISABLIST” as often as you possibly can, preferably on social media to try and impress your fellow idiots.

That those words are fast becoming meaningless has sailed over your apparently empty heads. If you were capable of thought you’d understand the immense harm that you are causing and that it is YOU who are directly responsible for the chasms appearing in public discourse.

You don’t care about racism. You don’t care about sexism. You don’t care about disabled people or the poor or the disadvantaged. If you did you wouldn’t be so fucking quick to misuse these words. In fact, you narcissistically care only about your own self-image and are dim enough to think that using as many “isms” in your sentences as you can makes you a morally superior being. It doesn’t. It makes you a thoughtless dickhead.

I've noticed this election (although possibly since the EU referendum) that people are much more vocal and derogatory about differing politics.(predominantly insulting to tory voters) I voted for neither Labour or Conservative, and felt like both options were hideous. I've got friends that voted conservative, some of them are councillors, some voted labour, some lib dems, some green. The ones that have surprised me are the ones that are so intolerant and judgemental of other peoples views. Some friends on fb have put how can anyone with any compassion vote Tory , or that they are selfish cunts that hate poor/disabled people.I have friends who voted Tory who give up an enormous amount of time for voluntary roles and that have set up charities , some work with disadvantaged children, it's a complete nonsense that they are selfishly only looking out for themselves.
For a lot of people it was not the best option but the least worst option.
I voted Labour in the last election but didnt feel like that was the best choice this time.

YANBU

Quite a few around have a morally superiority complex simply because they don’t vote Tory (most likely vote Labour)

It’s student politics unfortunately that is what Labour has been reduced by those running the party

Best ignored

@strawberrieshortcake I said exactly that but I am actually a labour voter. I don't look favourably on people who voted Tory and I don't agree with them, however the mudslinging and personal attacks on here (from either side) aren't helping.

Well said @chestnutsmoothie
I feel exactly the same way

@chestnutsmoothie

How isnt is ableism to cut benefits for disabled people and put them through assessments with unqualified professionals?

I agree with you, OP. But you are talking to the kind of bottom-dwellers who genuinely think that calling someone a cunt for voting differently is not only acceptable, it’s somehow a sign of moral superiority. And, when name-calling doesn’t work, out comes the emotional blackmail.

Leave them to their infantile echo-chamber & they can yell about “racism” (inventing their own definitions of the word if necessary) to their heart’s content.

Or to deport people who have the right to be here?

Or to call people pickanninnies or post boxes?

I dont understand how those facts are not ableism or racism

The argument that because some people are alcoholic, or drug addicts, benefits should be reduced etc is a crappy argument.

For me, anyway, I'd rather they be treated than left to spiral down, have nowhere to live, end up sleeping rough, next stop dead. It's fucking cold out there. Alcoholics and drug addicts are people too.

@Soimblue the bedroom tax has caused many more problems than kids just sharing a room.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brutality-bedroom-tax-exposed-disgraceful-6302099

Siring I wouldnt normally bring it up, but your smug shit means I have to. Left wings views are linked with intelligence, right wing views with lack of develoment and stupidity, according to countless studies.

www.psypost.org/2019/09/people-with-lower-emotional-intelligence-are-more-likely-to-hold-right-wing-views-study-finds-54369

The windrush thing, and similar with Italian women who came to work in the mills years ago and are now elderly and been here decades, appalling.

I was genuinely taken aback that a government deliberately would do that. The destruction of the landing card copies was criminal imo

@Kungfupanda67 you do know that addiction IS an illness right? And unfortunately our messed up system means they don’t get the help they need, but if you cut their money then there’s a good chance crime would rise as an addict will do almost anything to get their fix. Less benefits isn’t the answer in this scenario, a better healthcare system is.

Grass roots politics is just vile full stop at the moment.

However, I have yet to see a Tory voter willing to answer for the human suffering caused by austerity yet. They just pretend it isn't happening.

How isnt is ableism to cut benefits for disabled people and put them through assessments with unqualified professionals?

I am no fan of the Torys. I am no fan of their policies. I did not vote for them and I desperately hope they don’t get in again. But calling everyone a cunt for voting for them will all but guarantee they will.

It would also be helpful if you could realise that many people voted Tory because they believe that they are the best party to shore up our economy which, in turn, ought to help the least advantaged in our society.

There is nothing “disablist” about that attitude. It may be wrong (I think it is) but calling people names for it is ignorant.