To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

[Soimblue]

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

"and the German economy is tankin" yet it has outperformed the UK economy every year for the last 10 years and for many before that when the same policies were in place. It has lower unemployment, higher living standards, lower levels of national debt and a current account surplus.

U think a few quarters of negative growth is caused by the government policies? Or in the slowdown in the world economy.

Its a great example to use.

There have been lots of insults thrown at Labour supporters too, more if not as many.

There is something very suspicious about this political movement where powerful majorities believe they are oppressed minorities.

If you think it’s rough being a Tory try living in poverty

Apart from how I voted, I agree with everything LemonTT and Snapcrap said.

And it wasn't just about Brexit. Two million people who voted Labour in 2017 didn't vote Labour in 2019. The same data firm says that about 300,000 Labour Remainers voted Conservative.

Definitely not just about Brexit then.

Vicious abuse towards those who don't hold the same political views as you is appalling and has been shocking in the last years or two.

Like most l hold fairly strong opinions on politics and world events but have never felt the need to call those who hold different views c or similar.

Despite the vitriol l believe most people want the same things but hold strong views on the best way to achieve it, depending on their life experiences and influences. unless we can discuss and debate ways to improve the country without 'taking sides' and making the opposisite 'side' the enemy.

Brexit was the most important determinant in the areas that swung to the tories though. Using over all statistics in a fptp constituency based election is inaccurate, it would work for a one issue referendum though

It wasn't Corbyn in those Northern seats that brought the majority, they voted for him last time, it was brexit.

And yet survey after survey seems to be telling a different story.

A survey of 469 people? Hmm. accurate.

I'm from North West Durham, it was definitely Brexit round here (and not liking Laura Piddock because she is too bolshy).

Same in Bishop Auckland etc.

All places that voted Labour last time when they promised to uphold the result of the referendum.

As I said its funny that the antisemitic remarks of JRM to two Jewish MPs and those if candidates (who were subsequently elected) never got attention or calls for enquiries. Nor does the alliance with antisemitic parties in the EU, or Boris relationship with Bannon who is outwardly antisemitic too.

German economic performance is nothing to with supporting lower performing EU economies and everything to do with a global economic slowdown, even then its had a few quarters of negative growth but never consecutive so no recession. Like I said its a poor argument to base this on its higher tax rates and more socially democratic policies.

BTW Germany grew faster than the UK last year too.

You've seen no evidence of this? Just look on here where Labour voters are referred to as everything from thick and lazy, to being communists, guilty of theft, gullible etc.

I'm from North West Durham, it was definitely Brexit round here (and not liking Laura Piddock because she is too bolshy).

Caroline Flint.

Voted Remain but she put that to one side and did her utmost to represent her Leave-voting constituency, Don Valley.

I am genuinely sorry to see Caroline Flint go because I think she was a decent person and MP. Yet despite her principled stance on behalf of her constituents, they still voted Conservative.

It was not just about Brexit. It was more than that.

Libtard seems to be the insult of choice to hurl at labour voters.

The more we argue with each other the less we argue with the parties to provide better choices, better policies, better representation.

@MidnightCircus, @Soimblue etc:

Conservatism: individualism, the individual over the group - it's one of the core beliefs of a Conservative along with opposition to change etc.

Socialism: the good of the group over the individual - along with equality, dismantling old hierarchies etc.

These are the reasons why people think you are against the greater social good - it's because you are.

Runningawaywithcircus

I'm not on Facebook anymore as it makes me want to gouge my own eyes out but after Brexit and the last two elections, I have heard from numerous Brexit voting family members (all nice, rational, intelligent people) and Conservative voting family members (same) being called cunts, being blocked or trolled mercilessly until they've left. It's a disgrace.

Which Islamic groups does the Labour party have prominent links to that do that? Not individuals? the party? Even Corbyn is not paid by Iran (he did go on Iranian TV in the past though), but it seems to be a bit hypocritical to bring this up when Boris has Saudis, Russians and others as backers.

By a few remarks do you mean antisemitism? Because of all the reported instances in the Labour party none come from MPs or candidates, and of the membership who have made them it amounts to a tiny percentage of the party.

You've seen no evidence of this? Just look on here where Labour voters are referred to as everything from thick and lazy, to being communists, guilty of theft, gullible etc.
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And told to "Get a job"

Just on this site, I am shocked at the insults and infantilising assumptions made against Labour voters , up to and since the election.

Assumptions that they get their info from twitter (personally I'm not on twitter, occasionally post a relevant quote from there).

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Also, claims that Labour voters are mostly students or unemployed/scroungers ..... and that people vote Labour when they are young, but grow up, mature, gain responsibilities and so become more responsible, then they abandon Labour as a youthful folly, and vote Tory.

The arrogance and, frankly ignorance, in those insults is deeply worrying, with inaccurate stereotypes all over the place.

Why bother to source statements with evidence, research, documentation, only to have it arrogantly dismissed and be insulted for it, by Tory voters.

Again, the poor victimised breixt voter or tory. I've seen whole discussion groups on FB destroyed by right wing members who gang up on left leaning voters.

Please stop making yourselves out to be victims. You are a powerful majority

Malylis

Surely you can see that even if you are part of a 'powerful majority' that you can be the victim of abuse? It's not about 'poor us, we won', that wouldn't make sense. It's saying please don't generalise/demonise/attack people for their views. People who voted Brexit or Tory are overwhelmingly good, thoughtful people who have different views from you. Or do you actually, truly believe a majority of the UK are evil cunts? Does that tally with your everyday experience of life?

it's one of the core beliefs of a Conservative along with opposition to change

There was an interesting comment by Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on Monday.

"Usually after an election, the winners get on with governing, and the losers try to work out how to change. Yet in this case, the victoriously Tories are trying to change - as fast as they can - and Labour seem determined not to learn from their defeat. Tories want to convince their new voters to stay with them for the long term. Meanwhile, the Left is seething and seems to want to dissolve the people and elect another".

There is a reason why the Conservative Party is the oldest and most successful political party in the world. It is ruthless about change, when change is what is necessary to stay relevant.

In the meantime, the Labour Party needs to sort itself out, not least because the foundations of democracy depend on there being a functioning Opposition.

That would be of great benefit to us all, regardless of political persuasion. Calling each other names will not help us to reach that, not one jot.