To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

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I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

@Baaaahhhhh

Where does this information come from please?

Out of their arses, clearly.

Yeah. Lets scoff and talk about arses when discussing disability benefit related deaths.

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www.centreforwelfarereform.org/uploads/attachment/456/work-capability-assessment-deaths-and-suicides.pdf

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The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland’s report Who Benefits? sought the views of 70 psychiatrists on how the WCA [Work capability Assessment] was affecting patients.

It revealed 13% of doctors had at least one patient who had attempted suicide as a result of the assessment process, while 35% had patients admitted to hospital.

96% of psychiatrists said they had at least one patient who was distressed after an assessment, 85% said it had led to patients needing more frequent appointments, and 65% had patients needing stronger medication.
www.mwcscot.org.uk/media/180939/who_benefits_final.pdf

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The Information Commissioner’s Office has now launched an investigation into DWP’s failure to provide information on 49 secret reviews into benefit-related deaths since February 2012.

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Of the 49 “peer reviews”, it later emerged that 33 contained
recommendations for improvements in procedures at either national or local level within DWP, while 40 of the 49 reviews were carried out following the suicide or apparent suicide of a benefit claimant.
Despite Freedom of Information requests from Disability News Service, and others,

DWP has refused to publish the reviews, or their summaries, recommendations or conclusions, even with personal details of benefit claimants removed.

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/information-watchdog-to-probe-dwps-secretreviews-on-benefit-deaths/

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The Work and Pensions Committee have called for an "urgent", full review established by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), into benefit conditionality.

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It also adds, that a new independent body should be created – similar to the Independent Police Complaints Commission – that would investigate instances where failures of the DWP may have contributed to the death of a claimant.

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'Ministers appear to have failed to hand a 2010 coroner’s report about the work capability assessment (WCA) that warned it put at risk the lives of people with mental health conditions – to the expert they commissioned to independently review the test.

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An investigation by Disability News Service (DNS) (highlighted by ITN News at 10 last night) suggests that Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith and Employment Minister Chris Grayling neglected to pass on a legal letter written by a coroner in the wake of the suicide of a disabled man, Stephen Carre, in 2010.

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The letter – written under Rule 43 of the Coroner’s Rules – said Stephen Carre’s death had been triggered by being found “fit for work”, and it called for a review of the policy not to seek further medical evidence from a GP or psychiatrist if a claimant has a mental health condition.

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A coroner could only write a Rule 43 letter if they believed that the evidence they heard in an inquest “gives rise to a concern that circumstances creating a risk of other deaths will occur or will continue to exist in the future”.

www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2015/november/government%E2%80%99s-independent-reviewer-did-not-know-coroner%E2%80%99s-report-blaming-suicide

If you are sick of it, why have you started this thread

Feels like you are inviting it

What do you think you should do now OP?

My advice would be to make it clear that anyone who disrespects you in your own home will not be welcome. Let him decide whether he wants to apologise and behave or not. But you have to mean what you say.

Christmas Nativity, Britain 2019

'A homeless woman gave birth to twins on a cold street outside a Cambridge college on Monday morning (December 23).
The woman, believed to be about 30, gave birth to her two babies shortly before 7am on Sidney Street outside Trinity College.

Thankfully she was then helped by members of the public, who called her an ambulance...'

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/homeless-woman-birth-premature-twins-17471458?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1tvRZ0JyvdFGnGFGdlLjDiVhvywZ4dDaVppp_PDcR7rndQOa_ugDrU_Zo

@ColourMagic it's really horrific what's happening

Shameful in a supposedly developed country

I read some time ago but have had trouble finding the latest news regarding an organisation of coroners (can't remember if their medical body or union) who put in a FOI request regarding full stats on deaths directly relating to benefits decisions.

Last I saw govt had repeatedly dodged giving the information.

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Graphista

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MP Debbie Abrahams has been on the case for a while. What's gone on is awful.

The DWP have been obstructive all along the line, from ignoring the Rule 43 Coronor's letter of 2010, which warned the government about the requirement to change it's policy in order to prevent further deaths from a specific DWP policy, to refusing to release it's figures on DWP related deaths.

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www.disabilitynewsservice.com/abrahams-asks-watchdog-to-investigate-dwp-benefit-deaths-cover-up/
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'An MP has asked the equality and human rights watchdog to investigate why ministers hid documents from their own independent reviewer when they knew the information would link their “fitness for work” test to the deaths of disabled benefit claimants.

Labour’s Debbie Abrahams, a former shadow work and pensions secretary, has told the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) of her “grave concerns” about how the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) investigates deaths linked to DWP activity.

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In a letter sent this week to EHRC’s chief executive, Rebecca Hilsenrath, she explains her concerns that DWP failed to send crucial evidence about deaths linked to the work capability assessment (WCA) to the independent expert ministers had commissioned to review the test.

Disability News Service (DNS) revealed last month that DWP had finally admitted that two letters written by coroners, and a series of secret “peer reviews” into the deaths of claimants who had gone through the WCA process, were hidden from Dr Paul Litchfield.

Since DNS revealed the existence of the documents in the years after Litchfield’s final report was published, concerns have grown that DWP deliberately covered-up evidence showing the fatal impact of the assessment on many disabled people.

In her letter, Abrahams (pictured) also says she is “extremely concerned” about the lack of official scrutiny of the treatment of disabled people by DWP and its private sector contractors, Maximus, Capita and Atos, which carry out the assessments.'

I find it utterly terrifying that such cover ups and corruption and complete lack of care for loss of life is happening in our country - and things are going to get worse!

It SHOULD be a massive bloody scandal too - what the hell the majority of our supposed journalists are failing to do is also a scandal. Most of them have a nerve calling themselves journalists, they should be right on this stuff it should be major headlines.

Graphista

Yes.

Brexit voters went through shit slinging too.

Went?? You've got about twenty more years of that to come I'm afraid.

Oh dear have you

A lot of people are VERY angry about the outcome of the election.
It’s not just a “difference of opinion”, unless you disagree with the opinion that we should not have more food banks than branches of McDonalds in the sixth largest economy in the world.
We should not be actively trying to create a “hostile environment” for anyone not born here. If you disagree with that opinion, then a lot of people are likely to disagree with you too.

It’s fair to say that in the run up to the election, there was a LOT of media coverage about these kinds of things so the fact that so many people voted for essentially more of that is a shock (if indeed they did - I have a feeling this election isn’t over yet).

So maybe instead of being surprised that people think like that, ask yourself why do they think like that?

And in terms of insults, I think it’s fair to say every Tory I’ve spoken to assumes that the entire electorate is made up of people who “work hard” for their £80,000 a year or unemployed Labour voters who should just get a job and stop thinking they’re entitled to an opinion.

Labour’s manifesto was fully costed, but the Tories didn’t even release theirs until almost Election Day, and it was vague but it was the Labour one that people described as a joke.

A friend of mine asked another, who is a nurse in the NHS and whose mother had to sell her house to pay for social care after the council couldn’t afford it, why she had voted Tory.
The nurse said “Some of us have to make sensible decisions while the rest of you live in a fantasy land.”

Like she doesn’t deal with austerity every single day.

Some won’t agree but that’s my experience.

Just ignore them, I voted green this time. But I’m glad the conservatives won, Corbyn would have wrecked the country. I’m not aligned to one party though, I just vote for who I think I is best at the time. Hold your head high and rise above it, Nothing wrong with debate, no need for the ridiculous insults,

No I don’t think that there are enough.

The right wing media did a good job of demonising Jeremy Corbyn and so many people were brainwashed.

All they cared about was getting Brexit done and to hell with everyone else.

I think this is all part of a trend of the powerful majorities pretending to be oppressed minorities.

It also allows them not to take responsibility for their vote. "Its your fault you lost, we were utterly rubbish but you called us names so we voted against everyone's interests. Not my fault."

Colour Magic

Thank you for all that info. I look forward to hearing what the Tories on here think about it (but won't hold my breath)

It's an absolute scandal but few people seem to care.

Corbyn would have wrecked the country

And you think a hard or No Deal Brexit won't?

The IFS said Corbyn would have been better for the country than almost any Brexit scenario.

I htink people were sensible in voting ory rather than brainwashed and that they took their own decisions rather that that they listened to biased media on either side whether left wing media or other.

The problem for Labour is most of the members do not accept the reasons they lost which means they will lose in 5 years' time too if they are not careful.

See calling people brainwashed is another insult that goes unnoticed.

Plenty of Labour policies are sound and were liked by the electorate, just the brexit one wasn't and five years of the media attacking Corbyn in a huge scale made him unelectable.

I think people ... took their own decisions rather than listened to biased media on either side

That's been my own experience too, Xenia, at least among those I know. Most comments on media content haven't been "look what Labour/the Tories have done!!" so much as "have you seen what those idiots are drivelling on about now?"

But no - apparently the election disaster's all someone else's fault, which is why, like yourself, I worry about the future

But you knew what you were voting for.

YABU