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To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

763 replies

Soimblue · 22/12/2019 14:20

I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

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TARSCOUT · 22/12/2019 21:36

I think its absolutely disgraceful. Whatever people vote is up to them. Name calling simply reduces any impact their argument to vote for alternative parties.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:37

Wow. Just had a clear confirmation of who mumsnet moderators votes for on another thread.
A poster had basically said that she would not have any friends who were tory and that someone voting tory had ‘values which had dropped’ . I suggested she was a sanctimonious bigot and my post was deleted presumably as a person attack.
Yet it’s absolutely fine for labour supporters to attack anyone on here who says they vote Tory and call them names.
Mumsnet is basically a communist state. Perhaps it should be based in North Korea.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:38

Wonder how long it will take for my previous post to be deleted and for my point to be proved!

Bluebutterfly90 · 22/12/2019 21:41

@Smileyaxolotol1
Or maybe because one was a direct personal attack and the other wasn't?
Saying "I wouldn't be friends with a Tory "
Isn't the same as "You are a sanctimonious bigot"

Just a guess. I dont think we're quite at 'North Korea' territory yet.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:42

bluebutterfly but I have seen plenty of personal attacks on this thread alone.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 21:43

Really? Maybe you could quote them?

Bluebutterfly90 · 22/12/2019 21:44

Then report them. I've seen a lot of people saying "Tories are this and that" and "Labour voters are this and that", nut but that's different from YOU are this and that.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:44

bluebutterfly sorry, I misunderstood your point. I wasn’t comparing what the poster said with what I said but what other posters have said recently on this board, in many cases directly attacking individuals who have said they voted tory and not having their posts deleted. There was nothing wrong with what she said other than that it was sanctimonious and bigoted which she is entitled to be but I should also be entitled to call her out on it.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:45

I don’t want to report them. I would rather they continue and show exactly the kind of people they are.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 22/12/2019 21:45

but I have seen plenty of personal attacks on this thread alone

You need to report them, and then mumsnet will delete the personal ones

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:46

Apologies for my ignorance in this matter, but does a post have to be reported to be removed or do mumsnet people scroll through or a bit of both?

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 22/12/2019 21:48

I don’t want to report them. I would rather they continue and show exactly the kind of people they are

Unfortunately for you other people obviously DO want to report you

Its got nothing to do with the voting preferences of MNHQ

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 21:49

I don’t want to report them. I would rather they continue and show exactly the kind of people they are

I agree with this. Someone who thinks Thatcher was too soft said something to me that was sufficiently vile to be deleted the other day. Unfortunately I never saw it as someone reported it and it was deleted. It would have been much better if it had been left there.

fortunatelynot · 22/12/2019 21:49

I think there has been name calling on both 'sides' and it is to do with having low emotional intelligence.

I'm a Tory voter BUT I can see why some people voted Labour. I was able to hold constructive, informed discussions with real people in my life prior to the election who voted for both Labour and Conservative. Mumsnet is (fortunately) not representative of the real world.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 22/12/2019 21:50

smiley

You have to report

I think sometimes they may scroll....but im not sure

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 21:52

rufus thank you for the clarification.

So basically it’s fine if they treat tories as scum but if you suggest that is a nasty attitude they go running to the powers that be.
Pathetic.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 21:56

So basically it’s fine if they treat tories as scum but if you suggest that is a nasty attitude they go running to the powers that be

In my case it was a Tory doing the treating as scum.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 22/12/2019 21:58

thank you for the clarification

No problem at all, it does throw you when you see something deleted that compared to a lot of posts on the same thread is quite innocuous

(I am not talking about this thread before anyone ‘yells’ at me)

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 22:03

alsohuman
Yes, unfortunately most political persuasions have their fair share of horrible people but in general I find that most tories will admit that some tories are racist idiots but few supporters of other parties will admit that there are nasty people in their own ranks.

It’s awkward about deleting though because I am a strong believer in free speech but on the other hand wouldn’t want someone to feel personally attacked due to their race for example.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 22:10

I doubt it was my race that was attacked. I’d put money on it being my intelligence. Personally I find it’s six of one and half dozen of the other. I strongly believe in letting the posts stand so it’s clear just how nasty some people are.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 22/12/2019 22:16

You have the right to vote Tory. You have the right to believe Boris Johnson.

I have the right to think that you are delusional at best. A vile human being at worst.

God bless democracy

Graphista · 22/12/2019 22:20

@runningawaywiththecircus I’m very sorry for your losses, but must admit I don’t understand how the losses were due to browns governance - but very open to being educated on this. FWIW I’m not and never was a fan of new labour considering them Tory lite to be honest.

@kungfupanda67 your post at 1606 is so ignorant and so offensive I barely know where to start with it! The vast majority of people who are on benefits due to disability ARE genuine they are the hardest benefits to get.

In addition addiction IS an illness, I have a family stuffed with addicts of various types, I have my own issues regarding their addiction and do think that there’s an element of personal choice involved in the very early stages BUT it’s a massively complex condition with many factors including genetics and environment. I have huge admiration for those family members who are actively in recovery and working to resist their addiction every day, I see how hard it is for them.

You won't cure addiction, depression or any other mental or physical illness by removing funds. You cannot starve someone into getting better. Exactly! I too live in an area where addiction is rife yet addiction and mental health services have been cut to the bone - that helps nobody, not the addicts themselves, the people & agencies that are here desperately trying to address the issue OR those affected indirectly as a result eg their families, those they might steal from to feed the addiction (and before anyone says it OF COURSE I’m not saying those actions are excusable or defendable but it’s a known and predictable consequence).

Treatment and rehabilitation is old fashioned in this country. totally agree.

Not everyone with disability can or would benefit from working. But even those who could - do you even understand that this govt has actually made it much much harder for disabled people to get and maintain a job? Removing transport, removing funding both from the disabled directly and from employers in order for eg adaptations to be made to workplaces, removal of rights, removal of support systems...

Hell even just the actual lack of jobs! contrary to their claims unemployment in real terms has increased. Although even according to their own figures there are more jobseekers (NOT including disabled btw) than there are jobs.

They’re doing and have done NOTHING to create jobs or to make current jobs more accessible to the disabled.

“It would also be helpful if you could realise that many people voted Tory because they believe that they are the best party to shore up our economy which, in turn, ought to help the least advantaged in our society.” A belief that has soundly and repeatedly been shown to be a myth.

@kljnmw3459 it’s not just anger though that’s part of it - in my experience and based on how I feel it’s fear. From the arguably low level fear of the letterbox going and yet another brown envelope dropping right up to the fear that bad as things have been they’re about to get so much worse which is terrifying. I suffer mainly from mental illness, I have severe ocd, and associated agoraphobia, anxiety and depression. I’m a well educated ex civil servant and nurse who knows better than most how the system is SUPPOSED to work, I also hold 2 degrees, post graduate qualifications, had extensive civil service training, am articulate and cognitively pretty able, in addition I have a kind and proactive gp who’s been trying to help too - and yet despite all of that I have been unable to access the help and support I desperately need. I’ve had zero support from mental health services since April of this year, I’ve had 2 appointments cancelled and am awaiting a call to reschedule again which likely won’t be until January now and may well be not until end of January. I dread to think how the hell anyone mentally ill who isn’t as fortunate to have the experience and knowledge I do and who perhaps also lack cognitive abilities or even have something as minor as a speech impediment is managing to get even close to getting the support they need.

I WAS under the care of a key worker until April but was cut off from the service - in all those months despite numerous phone calls, letters, the use of advocates and even starting down the road of a formal complaint I have NEVER been given an explanation as to WHY I was cut off let alone an apology! And it certainly wasn’t because I was remotely well enough to be discharged!

THAT is the reality of what is happening and from discussions in real life, on here and on mental health discussion forum it is happening all over the country.

My daughter is supposed to have a review of her condition twice a year, she hasn’t had any this year and hasn’t even been able to get an appointment to update her orthotics.

A friend who has had both hips replaced following an accident years ago and who was supposed to have had at least one replaced again this year is still awaiting even the initial assessment appointment despite her gp chasing numerous times. She is in agony daily and has had to quit her job.

NOT scare stories
THIS IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

You may be sick of the criticism but criticism is NOTHING compared to the suffering and hardship being caused by this govts policies.

“I’d really like you to unpack that a bit. Because it’s certainly not my perception, having lived through all her governments.” Seconded.

As for the examples/comments about Tory voters donating to food banks or supporting even starting other charities - that’s nothing more than pathetic lip service and conscience salving. If they hadn’t voted Tory in the first place many of those they’re making such a show of helping (and it is a show given the way these posters have described how they know) wouldn’t need charitable support.

“There is always, always enough money within any developed country for the needs of all.” Hear hear!

There may be a finite amount of money but it’s where it’s placed that’s deeply worrying! Millionaires don’t need tax breaks, billionaire companies don’t need their wages bill subsidised by state top ups to low paid employees...

There’s also issues of poor management and corruption in certain areas - i’m particularly thinking of the nhs and procurement here.

The impact of that [right to buy policy] took until labour were in power to hit but it would have hit had tories been in also. totally agree

DdraigGoch · 22/12/2019 22:22

Yup, spectacularly low level of intelligence, hence the far higher proportion of graduates. A degree has become official certification of stupidity now.
@Alsohuman despite your sarcasm, I do wonder whether having a degree really is an indicator of intelligence. Sure, a First in Astrophysics from Cambridge has got to be good but a Third in Film Studies?

Personally, I'd say that spending tens of thousands of pounds on a three year piss-up (which in most cases gains you little more in the way of prospects than a school leaver has) doesn't sound like an intelligent thing to do.

The Navy have a nickname for graduates: "Pickle Jar Officer". Can tell you the circumference of a pickle jar lid to three decimal places but can't get the bloody thing off.

Alsohuman · 22/12/2019 22:34

I’d say that only someone who hasn’t got a degree would describe it as a three year piss up which doesn’t improve your prospects. The vast majority of doctors voted Labour but I guess they’re pretty stupid.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 22/12/2019 22:38

graphista
Don’t want to ignore your long post but I did notice this point.

‘There’s also issues of poor management and corruption in certain areas - i’m particularly thinking of the nhs and procurement here.’

I think a lot of Tory voters, myself included, think that a lot of the problems are not due to tory policy or underfunding but poor management, overpaid executives, and individual incompetence and don’t see that labour or any other party would do much better.
I’m in favour of a lot of policies that are very unpopular such as universal credit, bedroom tax and the poll tax. However poor implementation, lack of exceptions and lack of forward planning has meant that they have all caused massive issues. For example I’m sure you are aware about 25% of food bank use is due to the 5 week wait for UC. And the bedroom tax has disproportionately affected people with disability related equipment.
The civil servants and organisers of these things will be the same people in charge if labour get in power.

But as a voter you just have to pick a best fit for you and what you think is best for the country as a whole and in my case hope the tories can clear up some of these problems that they created.