To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

[StormzysHat]

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

The mirror are pro Corbyn anyway

stormzy fair sum-up. We know a Labour voter wouldn't agree; it's why they voted Labour. So, not really sure why you asked in the first place? Not actually being snarky, it's a genuine question. What did you hope to achieve?

@ssd
"You are spot on op.
I can only surmise, that people are thick. They believe what they read in the sun or the mirror, or what they see on fb. They think someone with a posh voice knows better than them. They love a bit of tugging the forelock and knowing your betters. They believe whatever they're told.
And don't the tories know it."

Well the Mirror is a Labour paper and was vigorously opposed to Johnson, so your theory is a bit flawed there

Ffs @wellthatwasthat you don't actually know anything about me or where I'm from originally so please just chill. I've addressed all that up thread and I'm not going to again. Trying to have a sensible discussion.

Can we all stop talking about 'the north' as one homogenous area. The urban northwest, especially Liverpool, primarily voted remain and voted Labour with the biggest majorities in the UK. Newcastle upon Tyne in the east, again an urban area with high student population voted labour with a huge majority. Manchester was largely labour but has more mixed demographics than Liverpool so affluent conservative seats held, some Jewish areas such as Bury South changed to conservative.
Outside of the urban areas, leave areas voted conservative. Jeremy Corbyn was not a favourable vote for those who wanted leave, he was suggesting another referendum, this was very off-putting for those who want Leave. Conservative wrecked many of these ex mining towns in the 80s but New Labour did not do much, if anything, to heal the damage, lack of investment and infrastructure spanning decades. They are prioritising Brexit but also don't face an urbanite Londoner who has no clue what is going on in these left behind northern towns. At least Boris promised to deliver on Brexit, then they might vote differently especially if Labour can finally pull itself together and actually promise the non-urban north development and regeneration, as a priority.

Thank you for the share token Trewser.
I ❤️ Janice, she speaks my thoughts so eloquently.

@MidnightCircus ok cool. Thanks for letting me know my list was a reasonable summary in your view. I guess I wouldn't have put some of those on the list before I started this thread, so I'd say that's what I wanted to achieve. Eg knowing that Boris is seen as likeable and that this matters to people, and that New Labour's policies weren't deemed to have supported those communities.

Yes. I do know exactly what I'm talking about. I've spent years and years doing voluntary work with children and adults with SEN and additional needs.

I've seen what the ideology of austerity did for those people.

I've worked in the NHS and saw what it did to that.

I am a school governor and has seen how schools and children have been screwed over by the Tories.

I have spent the last 30 years of my life supporting charities and organisations who help vulnerable people.

I will never understand why people in vulnerable positions, financially or whatever, voted Tory. I can only conclude that they are stupid and frankly I don't give a shit what you @koshkat or anyone else who believes that Boris Fucking Johnson is a working class hero thinks.

@StormzysHat I am from one of the areas that massively rejected labour Thursday. It has been a Labour mp and council for as many years as anyone can remember and nothing has ever changed. If as Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results then what did people really have to lose. Labour told people to vote for change and they did just not the change they expected.
Labour had taken these areas for granted for so long this was always going to happen.

I don’t like working class Tory voters and I don’t have to

You can vote however you want. We live in a democracy. Did it ever cross your mind to research why working class people voted Tory? Or did you vote Labour because your grandfather always voted Labour and expect everyone else to vote based on someone else's beliefs?? 🤔

The ignorance on this post is astounding!

@R1R2

Interesting post. Would you ever now consider voting Labour and could any of the potential candidates swing you?

The real “turkeys voting for Christmas” are the Labour supporters who persist in their sanctimonious insults to anyone who disagrees with them, thus ensuring their precious party will remain unelectable for many years to come.

@StormzysHat

Yes, I would as I respect democracy

@Leigh I understand your frustrations, I really do, but please can we move forward from just calling people stupid. There are reasons why they voted and I'm trying to understand those. Labour need to understand those reasons if we are actually going to improve things.

Corbyn thinks that men can magically become women. He holds the same made beliefs as Swinson and look how well that went for her. He was going to not only amend the GRA but also the EA2010 which is VERY scary for women

That's not why they lost the election though is it.

It's certainly why I didn't vote Labour!

Because people wanted brexit sorted, 2... his party is far too left, 3....he is no statesman, sits on the fence and people did not want him as their PM

stormzy that's fair, and I guess I should apologise then, as I did think you were being like far too many people on here, and just wanting to prove you're a better person cus you voted Labour (it's a view that's espoused far, far too often). Genuinely wanting to know is a good thing (I'm aware this sounds patronising as fuck, it's not meant like that, it's just tough to word), living in an echo chamber is dangerous

@namechangenugget it is not disrespecting democracy to complain about a government. People are entitled to air their views.

@WYP2018 people who created wealth for this country by doing backbreaking work in pits etc and got abandoned when they didn’t create profit anymore
You've just proved the OP's point without knowing. These same people who were abandoned by their profit masters because they didn't create profit anymore, went ahead and voted for the very same people that abandoned them ie the rich masters, the tories. If you were treated badly by the upperclass, why would you turn around and reward them by voting for them?

Hard workers who were thrown aside by the rich, voting for these same people. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

It is the same thing. They bought the lies from the upper class, even though the upper class shafted them, in the first place. What ever happened to once bitten twice shy?

Labour had taken these areas for granted for so long this was always going to happen

This. If Boris actually delivers on his promises the Tories might keep these seats for the foreseeable future.

Your title is goady, but I agree with the general point. I don't understand how anyone working class, (ignore the "upper class" for the minute) can think that Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Dominic Raab etc have their interests in mind.

But, the reality is that lots of the working class want Brexit, and so from their perspective the tories are going to do what they want. I think a lot of working class people believe that Brexit will improve things for them. It's just another thing for people to blame, rather than the politicians (and in fairness, global economic issues) that have got us where we are.

I also think there is an element of ingrained class bias in our politics, whereby people see a posh white man and think "ah, PM material" purely by dint of him having the right background and voice.

Jeez, and labourites accuse Tory supporting leavers of being thick??? By calling an election the voters of the U.K. were given another opportunity to say whether they wanted to leave or not - Tory if you wanted to leave and obviously Labour or Lib Dem if you wanted an opportunity for a second referendum. The message was loud and clear - the country want Boris in charge and want Brexit. Accept it and move on.

We are not a socialist country and the so called ' champagne socialists' don't help matters either. It comes across as patronising. I'm labour but I don't have a go at Tory voters as their views just happen to be different to mine.

A lot of my family and my dh voted Tory, they are not ' thick' at all , no more than people that voted leave are ' thick'. People voted for what they believed in. I want big business to
pay more taxes and the fat cats slimmed down and help the poorer in society, more money for the nhs etc etc but I also realise there isn't a one size fits all answer to these questions. It's more complex sometimes than just throwing money at a problem as labour seemed to endorse. People were a bit cynical about how they would go about all these freebies such as broadband for example. Let's renationalise the railways; but how? It wasn't brilliant when it was!

My own sil and her sister are ' waspi women' but it didn't stop her voting Tory!
Let's stop the mud slinging ; none of that helps at all!
There's a recession brewing I heard ; let's see how the tories deal with that as they won't have labour to blame for it either.
All of it is shit , but moaning about it won't help matters at all. I'm resigned to it now but then I've lived through a lot of Tory governments!
I just hope he helps the north as promised.

Corbyn is a hippy. People don't like hippies.

It'll really that simple.

Entitled to your own views yes, but the original post was just bing rude about a whole group of people,

Said as a leftie btw,