To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

[StormzysHat]

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

[MidnightCircus]

Ok OP. In answer to your question, they voted for the party they agreed with, that they thought would run the country best and would stop faffing about and start the brexit process. They did not like Labour's policies or the angry socialist bit that's being displayed so well on here. There will be many other reasons, but those are the important ones.

[CallmeAngelina]

I'm not bailing out people who were stupid enough to believe the lies that Boris Johnson has spouted

And just how are you going to differentiate between them and the "deserving" poor? Or are you, in your caring Labour way, going to just punish them all?

[koshkat]

Unfortunately I agree. I'm not bailing out people who were stupid enough to believe the lies that Boris Johnson has spouted, or deluded enough to think that he's anything other than a lying, racist, misogynistic, homophobic cheat.

Welcome to the caring, gentle left. Thank fuck I Ieft the Labour Party a few years ago because I no longer recognise it. I could weep.

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

I don’t like working class Tory voters and I don’t have to.

[ItsNearlyMorning]

Corbyn comes from a very upper middle class family.
Upper Holloway is gentrified as fuck.
His wife is very rich in her own right and so is he.
White privilege at its finest.
All his own doing for being totally unrealistic.
People knew this country could afford everything he was offering.
He's the bloody turkey 🦃

[Besidesthepoint]

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

This is the same thing as calling people stupid. You are basically saying that the country- who has voted for the conservative party- are as stupid as turkeys voting for christmas. You are also implying that you are much smarter than that because you are saying this.

This is calling people stupid. You asked where you wrote it, it is in your OP. There is no respect in that statement at all.

[koshkat]

I don’t like working class Tory voters and I don’t have to.

Ok. You are a wind up merchant becuase NOBODY would post that seriously.

[Seriouslyconfused3]

I challenge some of you to spend a week living in the deprived parts of Hartlepool or Stockton on Tees before you pretend you understand the plight of the ‘poor’ in this country.

Oh and btw Sedgefield is a lovely place not some dire, archaic hole. As are plenty of other areas you all like to feel superior to. Some beautiful parts of Hartlepool and Stockton too fwiw

[koshkat]

Umm - they are geese btw!

[Leighhalfpennysthigh]

@koshkat so you want labour supporters who said to those people that the Tories will screw you, vote labour and we'll give your children an equitable start in life, protect the NHS and vulnerable people - and then who then chose to believe lies and misinformation- so say there there, never mind we'll continue to support you when you can't feed your family and are being made homeless? Nah. No fucking way. If you want Tory selfishness and an I'm alright jack attitude then that's what you are going to get. I for one am done with it all. I'll be fine under the Tories. Others won't. Fuck them. This country has got the government it deserves.

[MidnightCircus]

We know spider, you only like Labour voters. Well done. Is it painful being so narrow minded?

[koshkat]

Leigh you really just do not get it do you?

[ForalltheSaints]

I think it was more a rejection of Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour manifesto than an acceptance of the Conservatives. Jeremy Corbyn is seen by many as having been sympathetic to the IRA (so no one with any armed services connection will like him), has failed to act decisively on anti-semitic comments in his own party, and the manifesto pledges such as free broadband were seen as not fundable without tax increases. The Labour Party seen also as closet or overt remainers, and many people are fed up with Brexit and just want it to happen.

[loginsaredicks]

I don't usually post here but have been reading these type of posts with some amusement. Labour don't represent working people anyone they represent the primarily London liberal elite which I imagine many of your are. The elephant in the room which must not be mentioned is IMMIGRATION. Coybyn wanted an open door policy worse than Bliar (and that was destructive enough). Add to that the sitting on the fence about Brexit and the previous Pro IRA and Russian stance and they were always unelectable. This country is NOT the London liberal elite. Despite the so called BBCs best endeavours to tell us so.

[HateIsNotGood]

Just catch up with Caroline Flint's interview today with Sophie Ridge (Sky News) OP. You know that excellent Labour MP of 22 years that just lost her seat. Then all your questions will be answered.

[crispysausagerolls]

@Leighhalfpennysthigh

If you are offering people
Things and they don’t want it from you, you should look
At why.

People don’t want money offered to them and help AT ANY PRICE. It’s not all about that. They didn’t like Jeremy and they didn’t have to. Think about WHY people would vote seemingly against their own interests in such staggeringly high numbers.

[Besidesthepoint]

The turkeys thing is NOT meant as an insult but was an expression

It is a very insulting expression. If you believe it to be respectful then please tell us why. If not bloody apologize. We know it was meant insulting.

[StormzysHat]

Ok so, (attempting to bring back the sensible discussion), according to responses, here are factors that people in the red wall areas may have voted Tory:

In no particular order:

1. Get Brexit done / finished quicker

2. New Labour actually did nothing to help these areas
3. Johnson more entertaining personality vs Corbyn prickly
4. A vote against momentum bullying tactics
5. Suspicion of Labour's numerous policies and spending
6. Confidence that Tory economics better
7. Corbyn seen as London centric (and Johnson not??)


And the above reinforced by people believing media over Corbyn scaremongering (eg terrorist sympathiser).

And of course antisemetism v badly handled by Corbyn. (Though I still can't believe how people overlook Johnson actually said racist comments himself.)

With no. 2 - did New Labour really not do a better job that Thatcher? Eg Surestart?
And 7. baffles me.

But 1, 3, 4, 5 & 6 I can understand though not necessarily agree with.

[R1R2]

@Leighhalfpennysthigh You mean the same "ill be alright Jack" attitude you seem to have?

[crispysausagerolls]

@loginsaredicks

Exactly.

[mummmy2017]

If so many people voted for the Tory's then why can't you see it is because they voted for what was offered.
That the Labour party frighten people, were not trusted to be in charge .
We are leaving and to jump ship right now would be fool hardy, this way very little changes, except the numbers in Parliament mean that the selfish refusers who tried to block progress are gone.

[Trewser]

ODFOD. The turkeys voted against economic Armageddon, spiteful identity politics, anti-semitism and Brexit fence sitting. Well done to them all

Yes, I'm really grateful to them!

[crispysausagerolls]

3. not entertaining. But likeable. Makes an effort. Mucks in. Not standoffish and unfriendly.

[FFSFFSFFS]

@Leighhalfpennysthigh

Socialism doesn't help the poor - I refer you to the history of the twentieth century.

[wellthatwasthat]

YAB totally U for two reasons.

Yes, you are calling people stupid by referring to them as the turkeys who voted for Christmas.

You are also under the misguided impression that the country is divided into Northerners and Londoners and that's it. You need to look at a map - I think you'll find that there's a bit more to it than that.