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To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

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StormzysHat · 15/12/2019 13:45

NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

OP posts:
Trewser · 17/12/2019 12:46

Because the majority of people don't see going to Eton as a massive issue, despite how much the Corbynite left tried to make it one?

derxa · 17/12/2019 12:52

Remember Emily Thornberry's white van man tweet and her alleged remarks about stupid Labour voters. Complete and utter contempt for working class people. Views echoed here on MN

Trewser · 17/12/2019 12:53

My new rule of thumb is that anyone who is loved on Twitter or who spends a lot of time of twitter isn't a good choice for politics.

CosmoK · 17/12/2019 13:18

He didn't care if he made a fool of himself. I know it's all an act but I think he actually likes people

I think you're right derxa I said something similar to someone this weekend.

CendrillonSings · 17/12/2019 13:24

The question was why is Corbyn seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar.

Because Boris comes across as a human being, instead of a humourless, sanctimonious Marxist leading a cabal of antisemites?

TatianaLarina · 17/12/2019 13:25

I know it's all an act but I think he actually likes people

I think he has more contempt for everyone than most people realise.

TatianaLarina · 17/12/2019 13:26

I noticed Cameron in the paper looking much more chirpy. I assume he’s thinking the referendum doesn’t look like such a mistake now the whole country has voted for it. But for how long...

NotDavidTennant · 17/12/2019 13:34

The thing that people don't seem to get is that elections are closer to a popularity contest than a meritocracy.

Dapplegrey · 17/12/2019 13:36

Because the majority of people don't see going to Eton as a massive issue, despite how much the Corbynite left tried to make it one?

Yes - and the op has tried to make it a massive issue.

Trewser · 17/12/2019 13:36

And again with the veiled insults

Trewser · 17/12/2019 13:37

To notdavid

derxa · 17/12/2019 13:43

I think he has more contempt for everyone than most people realise. Well he would fit right in on MN then. The contempt on this site for ordinary people never fails to astound me. Contempt for people who don't go to RG universities, workmen, people who support football teams, people who support the armed forces. The list is endless.

Trewser · 17/12/2019 13:45

Yes I agree derxa

sometimes it is jaw dropping

I've been on the receiving end and it's not pretty.

Always nice to get into the real world where none of the things espoused on mn seem to be in the slightest bit important.

MrsWobble3 · 17/12/2019 13:54

There is an interesting yougov survey quoted in today’s paper showing analysis of voters by class. Labour has a share of between 31 and 34% of each social grade and 48% of C2DE (traditional working class) voted Conservative (lab 33%). So on the evidence, the tory’s are the party of the workers now.

CosmoK · 17/12/2019 13:55

Spot on derxa

DowntownAbby · 17/12/2019 14:02

Agree @derxa

NotDavidTennant · 17/12/2019 15:04

And again with the veiled insults

My point is that even if you think you've got the best candidate and the best policies (as Corbyn supporters clear they think did) you can't win an election unless you get the public to buy into them.

Boris "I won't tell me you how many children I've got" Johnson is clearly a total arse, but rightly or wrongly he seems to connect with people better than Corbyn does.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 17/12/2019 15:14

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Davros · 17/12/2019 15:21

If the Tories are toffs how do you explain Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Theresa May?

MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2019 15:22

There is an element of warming to the person, it’s less of an insult to Johnson to say this though than Corbyn. Since some were just put off the latter.

thefluffysideofgrey · 17/12/2019 15:24

Boris makes people laugh.

I've read pages of supposedly intelligent analysis on it and that is possibly the only sensible conclusion.

He's funny, the lovable buffoon....

Corbyn was a bit of a geography teacher.

The idea that everyone read the manifestos and turned into an amateur economist is laughable.

MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2019 15:26

Not everyone but I did hear the policies (not the manifesto) more than the repeated accusations. Having said that Corbyn puts me off.

EntirelyAnonymised · 17/12/2019 15:27

I honestly don’t get it. I understand the Momentum stuff and that it is/was very off putting to a huge swathe of voters (I voted Labour but as a centrist I am absolutely not a Momentum fan) but I don’t understand why the areas which have suffered the most from deprivation have voted to keep the same party in power, believing that (positive) change is coming for zero hours contracts, the NHS and education (these were examples given by talking heads with the public in a news report in ?Burnley). 9 years in power and the poorest in our society have got poorer and public services have declined visibly. What makes these economically vulnerable communities believe that is going to change? It baffles me.

That said, they did and here we are.

MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2019 15:28

And Labour are absolutely woeful at considering what the media will do to someone who is an easy target. See Ed over David. They will never learn.

thefluffysideofgrey · 17/12/2019 15:33

It was cultural, not political.

Corbyn= hippy, vege, cycling, green, makes jam, preaches peace and love, bit sanctimonious

Boris = funny, likes the ladies, gets pissed and has an argument with his girlfriend (spilling booze on sofa) laughs at Muslims, gay people and African people, hates the BBC and channel 4....

Which is more likely to get the working class vote?

I grew up on a northern sink estate, before anyone starts