To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

[TheGoogleMum]

I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

Tory voters just buy into the idea that poor people are poor because they are lazy, feckless and work-shy. They think anyone who doesn’t agree is just gullible and wants to give free money away.

The worst ones think that disabled people are a drain on resources and not worth spending on etc. Also anyone offended by Boris’ racist and sexist comments can’t take a joke.

You can’t change their minds. They don’t have the ability to care about anyone but themselves. Just focus on the people that deserve your energy.

@TheGoogleMum austerity has been awful. It’s decimated the job I love and wrecked public services. Let’s not forget why austerity happened. Because of labour spending money we didn’t have. The tories were left a pile of shit by Blair, who actually left a leaving note saying he’d spent all the money. Let’s just move on. Bleating about it and feeling offended isn’t going to change anything.

I think YABU, people are mostly good and care. Yeah tou get people who care more and people who care less but I'd say the uncaring are in the minority and not divided by vote at all, that's a total con job.

Even assuming human beings generally care about others, they will still differ on what is best for everyone, how we achieve it, and what order we have to do things in.

Then there are issues that are overridingly important for one person and not for another.

We all see the world through a lens, nobody can help doing this, but think about this: for every vote where you choose to sacrifice a or b there is also a political class that made it that way.

I don't thinj it's fair for Labour to get the entire blame for the global financial crisis. They should have done more to prevent the damage but we likely would have been in a slightly less worse but still bad position with a conservative government

So Labour voters aren't allowed to be disillusioned in the current party then OP ?

Op, I don't blame Labour for the financial crisis but you are being unreasonable. Lick your wounds but the blame for this failure lies with the current Labour leadership. Labour isn't a state religion. You fuck up you get dumped.

OP, after the crash, you do realise labour didnt want to get in. They didnt want to fix the mess that happened when they were in power. They knew gordon brown was unelectable. That's why he became PM

Ffs I was appalled at the 'good luck. Theres no money left note'.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows we wimps out of fixing the mess. We have had a succession of unelectable leaders.

That's the labour parties fault.

This attitude is the main reason, aside from Brexit and multiple sets of stakeholders with wildly different priorities, why Labour has had such a crushing defeat. I voted Labour in this election as in many others.

But I can tell you that as long as people characterise Tories as heartless bastards with no compassion and Labour as the One True Way, and bully everyone who doesn’t fall into line, we will lose again and again until we become extinct.

When the electorate tells you who it is, listen.

*Tory voters just buy into the idea that poor people are poor because they are lazy, feckless and work-shy. They think anyone who doesn’t agree is just gullible and wants to give free money away.

The worst ones think that disabled people are a drain on resources and not worth spending on etc. Also anyone offended by Boris’ racist and sexist comments can’t take a joke.

You can’t change their minds. They don’t have the ability to care about anyone but themselves. Just focus on the people that deserve your energy*

Bollocks. Tell me, does it get tiring being so sanctimonious?

Bore off, labour caused this by making it too easy for people to do nothing for too long. People got sick and voted Tory, that doesn’t make them bad people who hate the poor.

Silky me, it does. That's why the 4 day week

Silly* ruined my own joke haha

If everyone voted the same way every election, then the results would be pretty much the same every time. This election, huge numbers of people voted Conservative who had previously always voted Labour. Do you think they have all suddenly stopped caring about other people? Because you seem to think only Labour voters care about other people.

So, how much do you care about me when you vote? If you voted Labour then you obviously don’t care about me. I don’t have a problem with people not caring about me, we can look after ourselves. Bout I do have a problem with people moaning that Conservative voters don’t care about others when they don’t care about anyone who didn’t vote Labour either. I voted for an independent candidate who best reflected my views. If he didn’t represent your views, vote for someone who does. We all make our own choices when we vote.

On the night of the election, there was a restaurant in West London hosting a party, full of the actual elite. Huge party donors. People who pay MILLIONS in tax, the people whose money actually matters (think it’s like 0.01% contribute to 30% of all income tax).

They had jets on the tarmac on standby to fuck the fuck off if Corbyn got in.

I’m not kidding. None of you seem to know he wanted to increase the tax past quarter of a million exponentially, to the full top rate at the high end of 90%.

People would have left that matter and the country would have been FUCKED.

How does that help people?!?! Tell me?!

It’s all well and good for people on here to think the rich leaving is scaremongering. The “normal” rich won’t. We wouldn’t on balance because it’s a hassle and selling house at a deficit. But these multi millionaires will go in a heartbeat and not give a shit.

Don’t care if you believe me, what I’ve said is true.

Give it a rest.

The hypocrisy of (SOME) Labour voters has been shown very clearly.

Apparently Tory voters are 'selfish' for objecting to tax hikes BUT it's perfectly acceptable for loads of Mumsnetters to be sobbing uncontrollably at the result because they're worried about their benefits.

Labour is not a morally superior vote.

Oh...and before anyone says:

• We have fantastic social mobility in the UK
• Welfare is a credit to our nation and should remain to support those most vulnerable.
• Having children is a lifestyle choice (and 'accidental' pregnancies are far rarer than mumsnet would have you believe)

I'm a Tory voter (in case you couldn't guess) and I'm MORE than happy to pay tax to help vulnerable people. I also think we need to do more to help our homeless

The bigotry on the left these days is becoming a national scandal.

“Anyone who doesn’t think/vote exactly the same way I do is racist/misogynistic/sexist/cruel/uncaring/moronic/antifeminist” etc.

It’s backdoor censorship - and it’s not happening because people like the OP truly give a fuck about other people but because she wants to earn Tribal prestige points.

How many of those people your heart is bleeding for voted Tory, OP? MANY, MANY, MANY OF THEM. Presumably your only response to that would be that they are too thick to know better, right?

If you have a sensible political argument to present, let’s hear it. I’m going to stick my neck out and suggest that you probably don’t, hence the inane and childish insults.

And, btw, I am a Labour voter - always have been, always will be and I would be really grateful if you could stop showing the rest of us up, thanks.

@crispysausagerolls I can imagine! I would have been too if I had the money. Hated Jeremy Corbyn!

People,who are ( or feel) poor and left out will tend to go more right wing if they think that will help,solve their problems. The more your problems, the less you may focus on other issues. They also tend in those circumstances to want a clear, strong and outspoken leader.

Chestnut, don't forget the wet, snowflake, irresponsible, woke lefties. Insults are being flung all ways

Maybe they’re just not gullible enough to think that labour is going to help anyone.

I have friends of all political sides. They're friends because they are decent kind people. I am so sick of the smug self righteous posters on here claiming that only Labour voters are decent people. It's a really unattractive look, and is part of the reason Corbyn lost - his stunning lack of insight into how other people view you.

Most people act primarily from self interest. Religion and social disapproval encouraged us to keep it in check for a while but now? Fewer and fewer. So it shouldn't be a surprise to you.

@crsipysausagerolls...well said

I have dual nationality, and i work 6 sometimes 7 days a week..i am a higher rate tax payer and i earn my bloody money.

If JC and labour got in i was moving back to australia and taking my DP also high rate tax payer with me, and my dds who are both medical students, and will become high rate tax payers.

I am a kind, caring, hard working person, who believes strongly in social responsibility and caring for the disadvantaged but i am not going to stay and work as hard as i do so my money can go on ever higher taxes.

and it’s not happening because people like the OP truly give a fuck about other people

Could not agree more. It's happening because they're selfish themselves and don't want to miss out on Labour's freebies.

Personally I prefer the selfishness of someone wanting to keep more of the money they've worked for than the selfishness of someone who wants more money for doing fuck all.

Midgebabe Those are descriptors - and are often perfectly valid.

Being wrongly called a racist (which is happening more and more) is nowhere near as devastating & potentially damaging as being called a “snowflake”