To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

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I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

What about all those economists that backed labour spending plans if we're so sure they would bankrupt the country? What does labour have to do to convince people they won't bankrupt the country? Also not vegan, I am a working (nhs) mother in my 30s. I am lucky enough to not require any income related benefits.

I agree. People have no empathy for those lesser than them. I have been reading quite a bit on child poverty. Apparently in my constituency a large percentage of children are in poverty (cannot remember exact number) but 70 percent if these children have at least one parent working full time!! It is insane that in the 5th richest country this is happening. We are not in poverty (certainly
Not well off either) and my heart breaks for these families with barely anything.

My partner went to work yesterday. Average kind of job. Not low paid but not highly paid either. There are a couple guys there saying how they hate poor people, hate people on benefits, people put themselves into that situation etc. Saying how people shouldn’t have children if they cannot afford it. It really upset my Oh. One of them still lives with his mum in his 40s (not judging but he has no idea what it’s like to run a home and how expensive it is) and the other is a stuck up twat. We can all fall on bad times.

I’m a special needs mum and the lack of funding and support for most things is scary. He’s only a child so it doesn’t affect him or us greatly but what will this country be like when he’s adult. 😭

I didn’t have much faith in JC either to be honest but can’t stand the Tory party and what they’ve done to this country.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss as long as the judgments made on who is fit to work are fair (and I don't believe they currently are). I've only managed to go back to work because it is with people who care about me and support me.

I too am sick of the vitriol from the far left, I'm left and it's counter productive. But I could never vote Tory and I believe many of their policies are cruel.

You probably wouldn't like the fact that I still get around £550 a month in UC on top of my salary for working three days a week. But to be honest I just don't care and I will take what I am told I can legitimately get.

As my stbx- in laws do. Who retired in their 50s, had free uni education, MIL could claim state pension from 60, live in a 600,000 house and they get free bus passes and winter fuel allowance.

To whoever said that Tory Policy encourages less people to use benefits can I just point out something that you may not be aware / have thought off.

Cuts to education/ particularly SEN education resulting in children not having an appropriate educational setting and encouraging/ being blind to the fact that LAs ROUTINELY break the law to avoid costs along with cuts in Child Mental Health Services is short sighted and is a ticking time bomb.

Many children, if they received an appropriate education/ access to mental health services would be given the tools to contribute to society as adults instead (in the name of austerity) they are being left high and dry. They are likely therefore to require benefits as adults.

In addition many parents of these children have to give up work and some have to rely on benefits where (if their children were catered for appropriately education) they would be able to work.

So unfortunately no, not all Tory policy encourages self improvement.

Not for the disabled at least.

FFS, yes if you vote Tory you want to drown puppies and kick grannies for fun.

Clearly you are far superior morally than anyone else.

Exactly how many of these threads do we need?

@HeronLanyon what is this trickle down effect you keep talking about? Yes that of course plays a part but is more basic than that. You realise that governments raise taxes to pay for services and benefits. If you simultaneously put massive spend plans in place and simultaneously alienate a whole group of businesses and individuals the maths don’t add up!

This attitude really annoys me. I'm sick of Labour voters bragging about how caring and lovely they are, and looking down on Tory voters as if they are all cruel.

What tosh. Don't be so ignorant of the fact that people choose to vote the way they do for many reasons. I actually agree with everything Labour wants to achieve, but I think it's unrealistic and not achievable. In an idealised world with an endless supply of money, it could be done. But that's not the real world. I worry about the National Debt, and the Labour Party does not seem to care about it.

The Labour Party policies were very extreme left this time around. I actually voted for The Green Party, but generally I'd prefer Conservatives over Labour, who are not responsible with their spending.

Labour lost the election due to Jeremy Corbyn & Brexit.
The Tories won due to the sheer terror of having Jeremy Corbyn as the PM & of course Brexit.

If the Tories are so bloody wonderful how come the national debt is bigger & public services are cut to the bone.
Oh & why is this day & age do we have & need food banks? Now that is bloody disgusting.

Oh well. Until the hard left starts listening they will keep delivering the same result.

The Tories conserve the money and spend it well on public services

Yes, because schools, the NHS and the police have been SO well funded under the Tory government.

just dropping in on the way to torture some kittens, as we tories do. Grow up and move on OP.

I just think welfare of others should have mattered more than brexit and dislike of Corbyn

You are massively underestimating the extent of people’s dislike of Corbyn. What’s more, they did not think voting Labour would actually achieve “the welfare of others”.

Just stop. Overspending means the country cannot afford social care. empty promises dont go very far. My whole career is about the under privileged. I could not vote labour. All of Europe has struggled with austerity since the crash, we will improve things, it will take time. Now please stop tribal mud slinging

Let me show you my personal tax bill from last year OP then we can discuss how selfish I am voting Tory.

Yes you are BVVVU!!!!

Are you not sick to death of this bleating already? Poor people voted for the tories, working class people (who have never voted conservative) voted for Boris, health workers I know voted for Boris - people from all backgrounds and walks of life, voted for Boris. I come from a poor, working class, labour supporting area, I don't know a single person who voted labour.

He has only been PM for 5 months. In that time he's got Brexit through the commons (which the people democratically voted for and were ignored) and fought and won a landslide election. He has time to work now. Let's just imagine that maybe he comes through. Maybe he tries to help the poorer in our country. Maybe he does a really good job. But even if he does, there will still be those ready to bash him, regardless of what he does.

Twitter, and Mumsnet as well - a small group of people chatting their patronising opinions, bouncing off each other, feeling they have some kind of "movement" going on - they don't. They obviously don't if Thursday night is anything to go by. Labour voters jumped ship in their droves.

Corbyn, with his anti Semitic stance, IRA/Hamas loving past, sitting on the fence with Brexit, fairytale budgets - was never going to do well. Let's face it, couldn't have done much worse.

We learned that, you can scream and shout all you want, but voters will make up their own minds and take their opinions to the polls.

Well if you want to know what took me away from Labour where I have been a supporter since I had the vote- yes it was Jeremy Corbyn.
Not a personal dislike, he seems quite a nice man.
Not a good leader though and I think nice people who are bad leaders can do just as much damage as cynical leaders who are at least more upfront about what they stand for.
I never knew what the hell direction Jeremy Corbyn was leading the country re brexit and meanwhile the stalemate is directly harming our economy.
Same with rights of women and provision for vulnerable women and girls. Labour was downright duplicitous about that- saying one thing publically and another thing to pink news.
If Labour tries to please every single persons POV they lose trust.
At least with conservative, brexit party, Lib Dem’s, might not agree with them but at least they were up front and seemed to believe in the direction they were going re economy, women’s rights.
Jeremy Corbyn had loads of ideas of freebies and accommodations for everyone and no clarity about how this would be funded or would work.
I am angry about how he has led the party into this bad state from how mainstream it was 1997 onwards and I wish he would just leave now.

To those saying that voting Tory protected the country from anti-semitism, can someone give me an actual example where Jeremy Corbyn showed any anti-semitic behaviour? I haven't heard one example. People throw around the word anti-semitism when anyone dates criticise the actions of Israel towards Palestine. That's not anti-semitic!

Apparently in my constituency a large percentage of children are in poverty (cannot remember exact number) but 70 percent if these children have at least one parent working full time!!

IFS: “The Labour manifesto promises a number of benefits giveaways, most of which are small individually but which add up to a substantial amount."

"While quite a few of these pledges would benefit those out-of-work, there are no giveaways targeted specifically at low income working households; perhaps surprising given Labour’s target to abolish in-work poverty within 5 years."

I have heard quite a few (ex) Labour voters say that the Labour Party no longer represents the 'working class'.

On the other hand:

"Labour’s decision to spend £58 billion compensating the so called WASPI women is all the more extraordinary. While many were not aware their state pension age was rising, and some have clearly suffered hardship as a result, the decision was taken at least 15 years before the increase in pension age and" "most in the group are relatively well off."

www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

What about all those economists that backed labour spending plans

Bollocks.

Mass nationalisation of private industry (and asset confiscation of private schools) would have led to capital flight from this country, the likes of which we have never seen.

Corbyn expressed ongoing admiration for the leadership and reforms which ruined Venezuela. He wanted to replicate that here. He and his coterie are madmen.

Even now they plan to install a new leader with the same vision and move forward with their demonstrably ruinous ideology - which the people of this country do not want.

If the Labour core don't start listening, the Labour Party will cease to exist.

Fact. On average right wing voters are less empathetic than left wing, sorry if you are right wing, that's just how it is. Slight difference in brain wiring I guess

Fact. Saying "all don't care" is guaranteed to be wrong.

Sometimes, in fact often, people just have different ideas about how to achieve the same goal.

Typically neither left nor right wing people are happy to see people homeless and dying in the street.

Where they will differ is how much they believe the individual was responsible for getting there and how much they believe that society should therefore spend on those people. If you think that people always have a choice, then you believe that that person has deliberately put themselves in a position where they are reliant on handouts and basically scamming it and getting access to resources that you worked hard for. If you believe that sometimes circumstances and situation mean that people end up there despite their best efforts, you may want to share your stuff more willingly.

YABU.

When you look at the Conservative manifesto, a lot of it comes down to them saying they'll fix what they spent the last decade breaking.

Evidently enough voters believed that.

The socialist implication is the majority of people are incapable of looking after themselves and I think if that is true we might as well all give up now.

I voted tory because I believe, most people can given the right support and want to and the economy as a whole will be bigger the less you interfere with it.
And also yes because changes to interitance tax would mean my children be paying tens of thousands more tax.

But and I m sure I will get flamed for this, if you or a relative /friend weren't using food banks or waiting for therapy or elderly relative in hospital would you be so passionate about it.
You campaigning for a party to take money off someone else to spend on you is also selfish by that logic.

There is a really nasty self righteous side to the far left, calling anyone that doesnt vote Labour selfish (while doing nothing else themselves to make the UK a better place)and rasict (while angrily denying the antisemitism as media bias).

What about all those economists that backed labour spending plans

There was just as many who backed Tory spending plans..

If you want to cherry pick the open letter sent to the FT you need to look at those signatories (hint not all of them are economists)

Also you need to look at the IFS assessment of the Manifesto, and before you write off the IFS as being right wing (it isn't) you clearly didn't read the costings sheet of the labour manifesto either as Mcdonnell cited it over a dozen times.

Not to mention that the Labour Party pledged (in their manifesto) to allow equal access to benefits/social housing to foreign nationals as soon as they arrive in the country - as well as giving all 'residents' full voting rights in UK general elections! Can anyone name another EU country which such generous proposals?