To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

[TheGoogleMum]

I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

@TheGoogleMum yanbu

Blah blah blah. perhaps the Labour party should have appointed a leader that everyone outside the lefty London bubble could get behind and then they wouldn't have lost so many of their traditional seats. the labour manifesto did absolutely nothing to address all the major issues in this country. And I voted for them but I didn't want to because I don't think they deserved for anyone to vote for them. labour used to stand for the working class people who needed a voice. Now they stand for middle class students with ideological principles that have absolutely no bearing on the real world. it's extremely lazy and stupid to decide that Labour lost the election because the country is racist, stupid and doesn't care about other people. Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home for the reasons why Labour lost the election. I don't think all the hyperbole and attacking behaviour from labour supporters towards anyone who thinks differently helped to be honest. I know at least 3 people who changed their vote away from labour because they didn't want to vote for a party that was inspiring such levels of hatred.

So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others.

No, they prioritised their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over everything else, including Brexit. They feared him and loathed him and they were right to. What’s more, they didn’t think he was capable of “actually helping others” anyway.

The Labour Party needs to face up to this or accept being in opposition for the next 10-15 years.

OP I think this is a bigoted and unkind view of a lot of people.

As I have got older I have realised that the best way to care for the poor is to have a working economy. That means not alienating those people paying high taxes and ensuring the country is encouraging of aspiration. So to say that people who want a strong working economy and don’t trust Labour to deliver that - hence vote Tory - are mean and nasty and don’t care about others is not true. Of course there will be some like that but please stop tarring so many people with such a simplistic view. You need to dig deeper than this now.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss but benefits should be there as a safety net for people. To help them have a good standard of living whilst they get back on their feet.

I worked until I had my DC. Was a SAHM, my stbxh was in a decent paying job (public service, Boris has promised an extra 20,000 of them). He became abusive over the course of the relationship and i ended it for various reasons. I had no way of immediately supporting myself so had to claim UC.

As it goes I had to wait 5 weeks for my UC. If I didn't have my family to help I don't know how I would have fed my children.

I went back to work only 3 months later despite being medically signed off with stress, anxiety and depression, because a good opportunity came up where I would be surrounded by supportive friends. Otherwise I don't know what I would have done, I was in a bad way.

This is why we should have a welfare state, for vulnerable people. Shit happens in life.

OP Labour is the cruel party at the moment in my and many other people’s opinion. They are so intolerant, bigoted, stubborn and condescending. It’s interesting that there are so many left wing views on social media all masquerading under - look at me, aren’t I lovely, I will tell you how I vote because I am lovely and I care about the poor and the disabled. One of my best friends has a disabled daughter who is grown up and she has grown up through successive governments and was PETRIFIED about Labour getting in. Because she knew the economics was childish and pie in the sky - and her best bet for NHS treatment was to have a grown up economic policy.

I just think welfare of others should have mattered more than brexit and dislike of Corbyn, and it says a lot about you if it didn't. It is everyones right to be selfish of course, but that doesnt make me wrong for saying it! Yes it is attacking. I don't really see how it matters now. I didn't before the election.

What exactly do you do to help others?
how big is your contribution and how far do you go to contribute to all those you have mentioned that justifies you criticising others?
or is voting labour the extent of it?
I would be intrigued to know how much all these posters hating Conservatives voters do to help the needy.

TheGoogleMum

Full Fact have looked at the paper in your link:

"An academic paper has estimated there were around 120,000 more deaths in total between 2010 and 2017 than there would have been had the mortality rate between 2001 and 2010 continued."

"Restrictions on health and social care spending is one of a number of possible explanations for this, and the findings need to be treated with a bit of caution."
fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

The BMJ (British Medical Journal) is an academic publishing platform - I expect Andrew Wakefield published his MMR/autism paper on the same/a similar platform - we all know what happened to that study.

That child poverty figure is not true. Various headlines in various press is that some PREDICT that child poverty will increase....

If you want to vilify people at least get your facts right. You can't really expect to be taken seriously if you don't.

TheDevils, I don’t disagree we should have a welfare state but it should be short term only (bar where work is not physically possible) and only cover the basics. It should never have got to the stage where it allowed people to choose not to work or just do a few hours in order to get round the caps, claim more etc.

The cycle needs breaking so that children see a work ethic modelled and go on themselves to only make lifestyle choices they can afford.

It’s childish to go around saying a swathe if voters are racist, unkind and don’t care about others. And this is why many people are saying that the grown ups came out on Thursday and I have had my faith in this country restored.

Ps I didn’t even vote Tory! I am pro remain so voted liberal. But I have an open mind and attempt to understand others and why they vote the way they do. I suggest the Labour Party now does the same and I may even convert back to voting for them. I am fearful they will not and keep slinging this kind of rubbish around.

A limitation was that our study was observational and retrospective, thereby our findings likely capture association rather than causation

I don't think anyone would disagree that Elderly Social Care needs increased funding. This is not austerity. This is an inability over many years to decide HOW to fund elderly care. I blame all recent governments for their lack of focus on the increasingly elderly and poorly population. There was a cross party committee on "Longevity" before the election was called. Hopefully that will be re-instated as a matter of urgency.

appg-longevity.org/

Labour voters vote for themselves. Always have done

What’s the betting OP is vegan too? Care to lecture the grown ups on what they eat next? How about where we buy our clothes from?

Don’t you have homework to do though?

OP people like you are called bigots.

Try and hide it beneath 'I feel this way because I am so caring' if you want. Everyone knows you are a bigot.

@TheGoogleMum

Maybe I should make it simpler - lots of people believe that you help others by having a strong working economy attracting investment and higher tax payers.

The simplistic view that Labour = Goodies and Tories = Baddies is as ill informed and puerile as the "we want our country back" version of Brexiteer.

I voted for Labour as it happens, but I can clearly see that they are the architects of their own downfall and did a fantastic job of alienating the traditional working class Labour voter.

I'm pretty centre Left really, so no, I didn't really agree with JC's free for all bonanza which played right into the hands of the "Labour will fuck the economy" narrative.

The working class didn't vote Tory because they thought it would lead to the most lavish banquet (or because they're "thick" ), they voted Tory because they were clever and considered enough to see that the Labour spending programme would bankrupt the country and that the leadership (Corbyn and McDonnell) were threats to our particular form of democracy.

Concerns about the feasibility of the spending programme and the danger posed by the Momentum faction were raised by new-Tory-voting working class time and again. The Labour core didn't listen. They brought this upon themselves.

Still now they talk of getting Tory voters to "listen". Time for them to open their ears and shut their mouths - might do some good for 2024.

I think the issue with trickle down economics is that even if it works, in the meantime, people will die. That isnt an exaggeration as we see now. So yes even if in the future somehow the money filters down to the most disadvantaged people, lots of them will die in the meantime. I cant see how anyone can be okay with that.

I wonder if op is going to answer my questions?

Stop finger-wagging OP. You, along with everybody else, do what is best for you ultimately. If that decision filters down to benefit somebody else then you feel vindicated.

Thehre was no 'right party' in this race. It was simply choosing your flavour of clown. Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, whatever else colour. All.Still.Just.Clowns.

Sadly, there is no 'Out'. We have to have a clown in power. Posturing on silly threads like this is just that, silly.

Dragongirl, I doubt it. Seems just like so many others who want to Have Their Say without listening to anybody else.

Yes yes we are all ignorant, racist, stupid people who laugh at dying children. Blah blah

Next.

As a radical socialist my knee jerk reaction is yes Tory voters are looking out for themselves and labour voters have a more generous social justice based view.
However - I do know many Tory voters think if the individual is enabled so too will be society (if they think further to wider social justice and many do). The trickle down effect.
My own politics is firmly of the view that there is very little trickle down effect.
This election was in any event hopelessly skewed by brexit, distrust of Corbyn, split anti Tory vote, failure of anti Tory vote to act cleverly, anti sémitism fears/media misreporting/realities (I still can’t understand this fully there has been so much confused reporting).