To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

[TheGoogleMum]

I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

The Conservative party got 43% of the vote, so that means 57% of people who voted didn't want them in power.

So much for will of the people. I am expected to accept a small majority in favour of brexit and then a larger minority to take us there

I also noted that the average conservative mp needed around 38,000 votes, the average labour mp needed 50,000 votes

The whole voting system seems skewed towards the conservative doesn't it?

Which is probably why there appear to be more unhappy than happy people. Because that's how they voted

I voted Labour against Boris and Brexit but they really need a rethink - if that many of the voters who stand most to gain from a Labour victory won't support them then they can't just wave their arms and shout "You're all selfish bigots and dupes of the right-wing media"

Most of the people l work with voted Tory and while a few fit that description most are kind, caring and pretty open-minded.

Labour need to give their heads a wobble and reconnect with their grass roots.

I’m a staunch Labour supporter and a member of the party. Yes, I’m disappointed with the result but I don’t think all Conservative voters are uncaring or selfish. They voted for what they believe, the same as I did. We really need to stop vilifying people for having their own opinions and start listening to people’s concerns. We’re becoming ignorant to the populous.

I think Tory voters are remarkably selfless. Rather than thinking of themselves, by enabling Brexit, they’ve put the welfare of the ultra-rich above their own.

Mldgebabe, that would be because so many Labour votes did not elect an MP. Say 1,000 people vote for ten representatives, ward by ward, and you have 100 voters in each ward. In 7 wards 70 people vote Blue and 30 vote Red, and in 3 wards 60 vote Red and 40 vote Blue. Blue would get 7 reps from 610 votes (just over 87 votes per rep) and Red would get 3 reps (130 votes per rep). Constituency boundaries are drawn, iirc, by the Electoral Commission, which is meant to be impartial.

Look at the stats for the LibDems - the difference is even more stark. That's the issue with having FPTP rather than PR

Tory voters,I ask you this question: why should I, a single, full time working mum, be around £2.5k worse off annually under Universal Credit than I am under Tax Credits? Let’s be clear, I have 2 part time jobs, seasonal work and additional get it when I can work. I work hard.

Can you imagine what that is going to do to me when I am finally pushed over to UC? Why is it OK that I lose money? Do you genuinely expect me to work 15-20 hours a day and manage my home and my children?

The awful case of the lady being called a lying bitch could have happened under any system, it's a reflection of a shitty individual not Conservative policy.

So how are our lives going to change for the better now - what do you think are Boris’s plans?

grumpy I have been skimming the PR thread !

Here here heihei

sotired i don't think anyone can answer you without knowing more detail. I know nothing about benefits personally.

Sotiredofthislife having been in tour position, no one can comment. The would need to know so much detail about you and your circumstances to make a judgement.

The country is broke. Spending exceeds Income. Every year.

Labour or Conservative would have the same issues - lack of resources to provide the services people desire.

The good news about our country is that the same opportunities are open to everyone. It would be great if our economy could pay to give everyone a great standard of living - but the reality is you need to earn your own standard of living because the government is broke.

Universal credit provides a safety net for people in hardship. Whatever anyone said the amount provided is enough to eat, keep warm and in most cases 100% of your rent is paid - provided you live in a house that is a reasonable size for your family. What it cannot cover is addictions, debt, inability to budget, inability to navigate the system (or get help to navigate the system) or make it to appointments. The FIRST thing people should budget for is food - so no one should need a food bank. Now - I get where there are delays or errors with the benefit thats different and that is something the government must improve on - as is the 5 week wait - but for most people if they fill out the forms correctly and navigate the system correctly the benefit is paid on time.

The vast majority of people are enjoying the benefits of our economy - low interest rates to buy houses, free healthcare, education, low unemployment. Plus a desire to see the democratic outcome of Brexit implemented. That's why Boris is where he is now.

I work with vulnerable teenagers with SEMH issues. My kids are in foster care/care homes/living in disfunctional homes. For the first time since I could vote I voted Conservative. So it's not like I'm living in some ivory tower.

I've been a life long labour voter and even though we don't vote for the leader I just couldn't bring myself to vote for JC.

Sotiredofthislife

I am assuming what you will get under Universal credit and your full time wages is still enough to live on? If not, have you considered the possibility of re-training in a better paid line of work? When your children grow up you will not be eligible for tax credits so retraining now might be a good idea.

My friend is single mum, works 35 hours in a job and is topped up by Universal credit. Her total earnings are about £1800 a month.

The government is broke and we cannot keep on relying on them - if it keeps spending one day it will wake up and realise there is no money in the pot to pay the teachers or doctors wages.

You might be able to link to articles theorising that austerity is a contributing factor in deaths. You won't be able to link to any article proving austerity causes deaths because it is methodological impossible to isolate austerity from the many other potential contributory factors.

methodologically* impossible

Whats the alternative to Austerity? Keep spending until the country is bankrupt?

Yes we need to look at ways of raising revenues - but we can't spend them before we get them!

Sick of reading this. I was a single parent for 15 years. I managed to work full time, and study to better myself so that I was not reliant on the state because we all know it can be taken away in an instant.

If you cannot afford the child, don't have it.

For those who find themselves widowed and/or divorced I do think that is completely different and there should be a short term safety net of welfare.

Before you jump on me, I'm not rich. I have no rich friends or family. Been divorced, and lost out financially twice. Been made redundant six times. I still went out, found work and carried on.

@Snowman123 spot on. We have got to tighten our belts.

You wouldn't carry on spending 1300 per month if your income had dropped to 1000. You'd find ways to cut your cloth.

You need to think why was austerity necessary in the first place?
Labour likes to spend money we don't have.
We need to live below our needs and that conflicts with Labour.
We need to live in a society that of course looks after people that needs support but also ask people to take responsibility.
Have what you can afford and no more. Don't live on credit, have the children you can afford etc.
Why would everyone should have free broadband? It's a want not a need.
6 years of free adult education for everyone? Just crazy expensive stuff that was going to be paid by increased taxes.

The would need to know so much detail about you and your circumstances to make a judgement

There is no judgement to be made. The day I shift over to UC I will be £2.5k worse off over a 12 month period.

have you considered the possibility of re-training in a better paid line of work?

I am a teacher.

Whats the alternative to Austerity? Keep spending until the country is bankrupt?

National debt is bigger now than it was in 2010. More and more people are relying on food banks. Poverty statistics are through the roof. Disabled people have less money than they did and the terminally ill are being assessed as capable of work. Exactly who has carried austerity? The rich?

My sister is one of the vulnerable people the OP thinks the Tories don't care about and are killing. She will never be able to work because her developmental age is about 15 months. She receives a shed load of benefits under the Tories to pay for her to live in supported living with round the clock care. Her benefits have only dipped slightly under austerity and not enough to make a difference. She went to a special school under Labour and the Tories. No noticeable difference there either. I seriously doubt she is the exception the rule. The 'austerity kills the disabled' narrative is just wrong.

Why would everyone should have free broadband? It's a want not a need. 6 years of free adult education for everyone?

Because the internet is now an essential of daily life with the government expecting us to be able to complete benefit applications via the Internet? Because a child in a household where there is no internet will struggle to complete homework and therefore struggle to get ahead?

Why education? Because, as I was told not a few posts ago, I should get a better job via retraining and not be reliant on benefits so if we invest in education, presumably we will have a better trained workforce capable of earning more?